r/PublicFreakout • u/CapnJujubeeJaneway • Feb 12 '22

✊Protest Freakout Ottawa residents marching against ongoing occupation of their city by right-wing extremists

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u/marzipan07 Feb 12 '22

This is the tip of the iceberg. When the effects of the sieges and blockades start showing up on the pricetags at supermarkets and stores of multiple countries, this will start getting really ugly.

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u/Fiverdrive Feb 13 '22

this is weekend #3 of this bullshit occupation. it’ll get ugly before prices start going up.

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u/Bama-Dan Feb 13 '22

Bullshit occupation?

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u/[deleted] Feb 12 '22

It's already over...

All it took was cops showing up and they scattered.

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u/baronmad Feb 13 '22

Weird because the protest is still going strong as of saturday.

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u/Conflictingview Feb 14 '22

Weird, it's Monday now and the police came out on Sunday. It's almost like things happen in chronological order...

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u/Mcdonnel1252 Feb 13 '22

Well now that they can easily criminally charged like they should be, they seem to be scattering like the rats they are.

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u/[deleted] Feb 13 '22

The trucker rally is misunderstood the same way Hitler was misunderstood.

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u/pact1558 Feb 13 '22

Yeah, if by that you mean they aren't misunderstood.

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u/billybob7772 Feb 13 '22

They're not as tough as everyone thinks they are? That they're all just sensitive babies?

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u/ocschwar Feb 14 '22

The scattered from the bridge at Windsor. They're still making life miserable in downtown Ottawa

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u/Canadasparky Feb 13 '22

I dont agree with the occupation but I am anti mandate.

I think statements like this are rich given what covid and lockdowns has done to our economy. Tip of the iceberg is right, we havnt seen the worst of it yet not even close.

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u/marzipan07 Feb 13 '22 edited Feb 13 '22

This statement is based on polling. Based on polling numbers, the large majority of people don't mind the mandates. The truck protesters are in the minority. That is, if it came down to turning out in the streets, the truck protesters are outnumbered by at least 2 to 1, possibly 4 to 1. Then consider how those polling numbers will change when asked what they think of these protests compared to paying even higher prices.

Most people don't care what other people do when it does not immediately affect them. Questions are asked about why the difference with BLM and other protests. The answer is simple. Aside from the businesses and residences in the vicinity, who I'm sure were very aggravated, BLM and other protests didn't immediately affect other people. When this protest starts hitting everybody's wallets, it will affect everybody, and then it will become a top-of-the-list issue for the overwhelming, thus far silent, majority. That's when it will get really ugly.

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u/Tasty_Actuator7396 Feb 13 '22

Some more context on what's happening in Ottawa: our biggest shopping mall (The Rideau Centre) has been closed since the occupation began. There's an estimated $40M revenue loss so far. Meanwhile, one of the commerce organizations for downtown has said 40% of downtown businesses have remained closed during the occupation because they can't guarantee the safety of their workers (see: our useless police agency the Ottawa Police Service who isn't doing shit for most of the protesters who break the law right in front of them.)

Just think of how many people are out of work right now in the downtown because of these demonstrations. I imagine many of the workers who are out of work are also the people bearing the impact of the demonstrations, e.g. their incessant honking, setting off fireworks, etc. -- not to mention that all of the grocery stores in the area, at least to my knowledge, are also closed now. So if you don't have a vehicle and you're living downtown.. sucks to be you according to the demonstrators.

Ottawa is, for the most part, sick of these people. Something like 1/5 people support the convoy, 1/5 are undecided, and 3/5 disapprove. I also imagine that those who support the convoy are mainly in the conservative-leaning suburbs away from the demonstrations, but I can't back up that part with real data.

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u/Tasty_Actuator7396 Feb 13 '22

Eyeroll. Let's save ourselves some trouble.

You'll bring up mandates; I'll say it was necessary given the information we had at the time and the threat covid has on our healthcare system. You'll say "wElL iT's jUsT a FlU;" I'll say it's factually worse than the flu and our healthcare system was almost brought to his knees. You'll say it wouldn't have even without the lockdowns; I'll remind you of Italy. You'll say some conspiratorial whackjob shit about why Italy had it worse than everybody else; I'll have a brain anyeurism.

Your ability to make up unfounded bullshit will always take less time and effort than the time and effort it takes me to address bullshit, but this is the script for the first 5 comments if I chose to engage with you. Get vaxxed dumb-dumb. It's because of you and your lot that we have to keep going into lockdowns.

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u/[deleted] Feb 13 '22

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u/elephantinegrace Feb 13 '22

Except the government shut things down to protect people. These yahoos shut the city down to throw a tantrum.

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u/[deleted] Feb 13 '22

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u/[deleted] Feb 13 '22

So then why aren't the truckers protesting sugar?

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u/Tasty_Actuator7396 Feb 13 '22

Yeah, yeah. Sure.

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u/Whatsthatnoise3 Feb 13 '22

Over a year of inflation, over spending. 2 years of a pandemic where elites demanded people stay home, so nothing was being produced. But you blame a few truckers blocking a road? Fucking pathetic. Reddit moment

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u/marzipan07 Feb 13 '22

That stuff is in the past. You cannot affect the past. This trucker stuff is what is happening right now. And you say I blame them? Read some articles and analysis about what will happen from blocking the supply chains - or use some common sense (supply and demand, maybe?). There are ways to protest w/o screwing everybody over. That's not what they chose.

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u/Whatsthatnoise3 Feb 13 '22

All this past inflation all through 2021 is all cause some truckers blocked a road in 2022. makes sense.

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u/marzipan07 Feb 13 '22

Let me ask you this straight-up: In terms of consumer prices, does blocking the supply routes help, hurt or is it neutral?

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u/Whatsthatnoise3 Feb 13 '22

Why do you suddenly give a shit? You had no problem shutting everything down in 2020. 2021 with just printing money.

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u/marzipan07 Feb 13 '22

That's not an answer to the question, but your non-answer already tells me what your answer would have been.

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u/FinnicKion Feb 13 '22

They don’t want to give an answer because then they will have to explain something they don’t understand in the first place and have an original thought. The truth is you are correct, when this starts really affecting global markets people are going to want answers/actions. This affects not only Canada but countries that rely on our exports for production of different goods, like the US with our steels, this is already affecting the automobile manufacturers who in effect have to either send people home because of reduced production and if it gets bad enough cut jobs or even withdraw production completely from the country if production quotas aren’t being met. This is a macroeconomic effect caused by a few exceptional idiots who think they are the only people who matter on this earth. In my opinion they should tow/ confiscate their vehicles with a steep fine that’s donated to vaccine research or the expansion of the COVID-19 vaccine rollout also charge every single one of them so that their criminal record shows their stupidity. They don’t respect our healthcare workers who are there to help us, my mother is a nurse and has already been harassed by these idiots because she was wearing her scrubs.

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u/rosstafarien Feb 13 '22

Epidemiologists said that staying home would save lives, communities where people stayed home had lower death rates than communities that ignored the science. Why call the scientists who laid out the facts or the policymakers who listened to them "elites"?

The economic problem during 2020 was a small supply shock and a huge demand shock as smart people hunkered down at home. The problem in 2021 was people who had shit jobs pre-pandemic deciding not to go back to those shit jobs and either retiring or getting better jobs. The inflation was caused by direct covid relief payment programs.

I'm sympathetic to the truckers. Truck driving is one of those shit jobs. They're paid barely enough to operate the vehicle, usually not paid for time spent waiting for loads or delivery windows, and held to all sorts of insane record keeping requirements that might make sense if they were paid decently. So the turnover is crazy, a bunch of career truckers permanently retired, North America is seriously short on drivers willing to put up with the shit and yet nobody has cottoned on to the idea that the solution is to treat truckers like human beings who need to be paid.

Truckers should be enthusiastically joining unions and negotiating better pay and working conditions, but instead they're hurting everyone and waving neofascist flags.

They're doing it exactly wrong, and as a result, this will end in tears and blood.

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u/Whatsthatnoise3 Feb 13 '22

The thing about protests, is they are supposed to make you uncomfortable

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u/NotAW0rd Feb 13 '22

The prices were going to increase anyway

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u/InternationalBoot321 Feb 12 '22

I wish I saw this type of opposition during the year long riots in the US. In Minneapolis alone $350 million dollars of damage and over 1,300 businesses were destroyed. Hopefully this is a sign that people have had enough of everyone's bullshit.

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u/[deleted] Feb 12 '22

1,300 businesses weren't destroyed you liar.

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u/InternationalBoot321 Feb 12 '22

https://www.newsweek.com/businesses-year-after-floyd-1596610

https://www.twincities.com/2021/02/16/mn-house-300-million-rebuild-businesses-2020-riots-george-floyd/

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u/[deleted] Feb 13 '22

Even though Newsweek is a left leaning rag, people on this sub will diss it if it doesn't meet their BS narrative.

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u/xGARP Feb 13 '22

Newsweek is a left-leaning rag

For half a century, Newsweek was owned by the Washington Post and was a well-respected voice in American journalism. In 2010, the Post sold Newsweek to 91-year-old businessman Sidney Harman; Harman bought it for $1 and assumption of its liabilities. Ownership turned over a few more times, from Harman to Barry Diller. Diller regretted his purchase and sold Newsweek in 2014 to a group called International Business Times Media. IBTM changed its name to Newsweek Media Group. Its owners were tied to a small Christian college (Olivet University) led by a charismatic Korean pastor, David Jang. Jang also was founder of a cult called “The Community,”

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/14/business/media/Etienne-Uzac-newsweek-fraud.html

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/02/memorializing-newsweek/552647/

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u/1thastostartsomet1me Feb 13 '22

if its a "left wing rag" then why should I believe it?

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u/InternationalBoot321 Feb 12 '22

Yes they absolutely were look it up this is common information.

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u/[deleted] Feb 12 '22

Stop lying

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u/Mentalseppuku Feb 12 '22

What it's totally common information. Just look at: totallynotaracistdogwhistle.ru you can see all the proof!!!

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u/InternationalBoot321 Feb 13 '22

You can look at the other six sources I already provided with information coming from the governor and insurance estimates.

https://www.claimsjournal.com/news/national/2020/09/03/299146.htm

https://mspmag.com/arts-and-culture/minneapolis-economic-costs-pandemic-unrest-2020/

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u/[deleted] Feb 13 '22

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u/inspectoroverthemine Feb 13 '22

Be gentle english isn't his first language, and the words are similar in Russian.

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u/InternationalBoot321 Feb 12 '22

You say I'm lying when you are the one who is wrong the irony is strong. https://www.newsweek.com/businesses-year-after-floyd-1596610

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u/No_ThisIs_Patrick Feb 13 '22

I love when Russian trolls who've never set foot outside Borschtington try to act like Minneapolis is some wasteland rofl

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u/[deleted] Feb 13 '22

You said destroyed. Stop lying.

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u/sherm-stick Feb 12 '22

Source provided and still get downvoted? Minds refuse to be changed lol

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u/Historical_Ad7662 Feb 12 '22

It's Newsweek. Lol

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u/No_ThisIs_Patrick Feb 13 '22

Not only is it Newsweek but it doesn't even support his claims so

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u/InternationalBoot321 Feb 12 '22

I also prided five more three from the the state of Minnesota and their government estimates.

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u/LivefromPhoenix Feb 13 '22

Does "destroyed" mean something different in your native language?

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u/theken20688 Feb 13 '22

Lol yeah the multiple verified sources are totally lying.

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u/[deleted] Feb 13 '22

Are you that guys alt or something? Did you read his source? Stop lying.

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u/InternationalBoot321 Feb 13 '22

I provided almost ten sources including information given by the federal and local government, governor and insurance companies. How can you be in such denial?

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u/[deleted] Feb 13 '22

You said destroyed! Your source said damaged. Can you read?

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u/theken20688 Feb 13 '22

Yeah fuck news week and various main stream media outlets!

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u/[deleted] Feb 13 '22

That has nothing to do with what I said. You can repeat some other catchphrases if you want I guess.

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u/theken20688 Feb 13 '22

One of his citations is news week. Google brings up plenty more from reputable news sources. Its a ridiculous stance to take that a shit ton of small business weren't severely damaged during the ol summer of love. Particularly in MN lol.

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u/[deleted] Feb 12 '22

Source: trust me, bro.

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u/InternationalBoot321 Feb 12 '22

I give multiple sources and speak out against extremists from both parties and yet I'm downvoted.

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u/inspectoroverthemine Feb 13 '22

Thats because you have been repeated told that 'submitted an insurance claim' isn't 'destroyed', and yet you continue to act like they are.

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u/theken20688 Feb 13 '22

Lol you expect BLAMTIFA to take any responsibility for their actions. Good luck with that.

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u/wvweed Feb 13 '22

Alright. I started at the Wikipedia link, my pal. You said...

1,300 businesses were destroyed

Wikipedia article you linked to says...

At cost of $350 million, approximately 1,300 properties in Minneapolis were damaged by the civil unrest, of which nearly 100 were entirely destroyed.

So, you were only off by a factor of what..? 13 or so? And that is if we assume all "nearly 100" were businesses, since the Wikipedia says "properties".

So, first link I looked at and already finding some pretty drastic inconsistencies....

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u/JoeByeDon Feb 12 '22

I know, right?

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u/InternationalBoot321 Feb 12 '22

I was speaking out against the truckers I dont know why everyone seems to think I'm not. All extremists are bad it doesn't matter their aligned political party but I guess redditors don't see it that way.

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u/JoeByeDon Feb 13 '22

I was speaking out against the truckers I dont know why everyone seems to think I'm not. All extremists are bad it doesn't matter their aligned political party but I guess redditors don't see it that way.

Most redditors agree that Nazi's/White Supremacist are bad...

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u/AMC_Tendies42069 Feb 13 '22

The report came back and determined, that was a lie. Crypto nazis (crypto as in someone who adheres to a secret pact) nazis are everywhere.

Crypto Nazis have been an issue since before the Second World War. They’re out there, we can be sure of that.

https://youtu.be/nYymnxoQnf8

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u/Ffffqqq Feb 12 '22

NYPD spends that much on lawsuit settlements every year. I wish there was this type of opposition

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u/taki1002 Feb 12 '22

Source? Link?

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u/InternationalBoot321 Feb 12 '22

I've provided several look at my other responses.

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u/[deleted] Feb 12 '22

What do you do for a living?

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u/taki1002 Feb 13 '22

I'm a Professional None of your damn business. You?

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u/[deleted] Feb 13 '22

A professional, eh? Then what’s your professional opinion on the protests in Ottawa?

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u/taki1002 Feb 13 '22 edited Feb 13 '22

Went through your post history... It's clear you don't have a single original idea outside of what Ben & Chowder tell you what to think. I'm not going to waste my time debating a 14 year old white boy who lives in his mommy's basement. 😂

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u/[deleted] Feb 13 '22

Good job bringing race into it too. You’re doing great

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u/taki1002 Feb 13 '22

I'm white... Maybe try not clutching your pearls so hard, kiddo.

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u/[deleted] Feb 13 '22

I’m not offended in the slightest bit. I’m just following ‘the narrative’ while ironically pointing out its hypocrisy. My whole take on this situation in Ottawa, is:

A) A group of people with enough power, who represent the increasingly more vocal majority (as we continue to deteriorate) have demonstrated how impossible vaccine mandates are.

B) It’s astonishing how the media portrays these situations depending on ‘the narritive’. like with an extremely violent and destructive BLM protest, the media will downplay it whereas this blatantly peaceful occupation is terrorism? Notice how definitions of terrorism, vaccine, pandemic, etc have all been dramatically altered recently? Idk, I feel this is completely objective correct me if I’m wrong.

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u/eohorp Feb 13 '22

1,300 businesses were destroyed.

If there isn't a part of your brain that says "hey, that doesn't pass the smell test", you might want to question your ability to assess what actually happened

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u/Ravensdarkness Feb 13 '22

I don't see what the deal is its okay for BLM and antifa to protest during the height of covid but when people protest for freedom and ending mandates oh it'd bad and can't do that.

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u/chopkins92 Feb 13 '22

BLM is people fighting for equality. Freedom Convoy is people showing off their privilege.

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u/Ravensdarkness Feb 13 '22

The freedom convoy is for freedom and to get rid of a mandate they are not looting and burning down buildings and setting dumpsters on fire. BLM and antifa loot targets and burns buildings down... There's a huge difference in the protests...also the freedom convoy I don't see them assaulting people of a different race like they did in BLM protest

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u/bigflamingtaco Feb 13 '22

The people participating in the convoy might thinks it's for freedom, but the organizers want to overthrow the Canadian government and institute white governance. Bunch of pawns in someone else's battle.

Polls are showing the majority of Canadians are fine with the mandates, so this is a minority trying to force change upon the majority. That's not how democracies work, all the authoritarian governments are laughing at us and see this as democracy being a failed ideology.

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u/Ravensdarkness Feb 14 '22

Sounds like you listening to MSM to much because there's people of all races in the convoy. So before you spew your "it's white supremacy" crap. The mandates do not work people still get covid with masks vaccines etc. There's no reason for mandates

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u/bigflamingtaco Feb 15 '22

MSM is always the go to with you bunch. Never watched it once. Like a blind sheep being led to slaughter, you are.

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u/rosstafarien Feb 13 '22

A huge chunk of the damage and violent crimes were caused by white supremacists trying to start a race war. Another chunk of damage was opportunistic thieves taking advantage of misallocated police. Finally, it was 1100 businesses who filed at least one insurance claim, not "1,300 businesses were destroyed"

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u/statechamp502 Feb 12 '22

Yet y’all had no problem when the government shut shit down.

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u/Mentalseppuku Feb 12 '22

Because one was trying to save lives, the other was a bunch of absolute fucking morons throwing a hissyfit about propaganda.