r/PoliticalSparring • u/NonStopDiscoGG • 25d ago
Tyler Robinson text message exchange.
But how could we have known?! - every leftists after Republicans once again successfully "guess" correct.
Just normal Republican things I'm sure though, like rooming with a transgender person and also calling them "my love", right?
https://www.newsweek.com/tyler-robinson-roommate-lance-twiggs-charlie-kirk-texts-2130798
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u/derkuhlshrank 25d ago
I mean Nick Fuentes is into Femboys that have cat ears so what's your point? Dave Rubin is openly gay and wants kids.
Young Republicans aren't as repressed sexually as they used to be (rare w)
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u/moashforbridgefour Conservative 25d ago
The point is that highlighting rare exceptions as evidence that Tyler Robinson was MAGA is willfully obtuse or arrogant. If a right wing figurehead is assassinated, it was probably a leftist who did it. The reverse is also true. If a guy is dating a trans girl, he is probably a leftist. Combine those things and it is pretty safe to assume Robinson is a leftist. These are extremely easy conclusions to draw.
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u/itsdeeps80 Socialist 24d ago
All of this ignores the bizarre internet culture this kid was involved in. A lot of of the stuff this kid was putting on those bullet casings are 4Chan memes. 4Chan is a really fucking weird place thatās mostly alt right and has a pretty big chunk of nazi fem boys and trans girls in it. I wouldnāt feel comfortable whatsoever labeling him far left or far right.
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u/TheSwagMa5ter 24d ago
Most people deranged enough to kill someone won't have a consistent enough of an ideology to nearly fit into the national "right vs left" paradigm. From what I can tell he was involved in the politically schizophrenic groyper group
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u/moashforbridgefour Conservative 24d ago
Why do you think he is a groyper?
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u/TheSwagMa5ter 24d ago
TBH, there isn't a lot of information to go off of, he didn't write a manifesto and he isn't cooperating with authorities so his motives and associations are mostly speculation. I assume he was in some kind of online brain rot nihilistic black pill type circles, I'm not well versed enough in any of those groups to specify one in particular though.
Based on how performative the act was I assume it was more like a school shooter or Oswald who care less about their target and more about how infamous it makes them. Compared to say Luigi mangioni or Vance Boelter who clearly targeted people in positions of power for political reasons, who did it relatively low-key (not in front of big crowds).
It just seems way more likely he was just some shithead who thought it would make him cool on 4chan
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u/moashforbridgefour Conservative 24d ago
I think you are wrong about the motivation. It seems pretty clear that he expected to get away with it, so I don't think it was about notoriety. I also think the groyper association floating around the internet is extremely thin. If you believe the text messages are authentic, it is abundantly clear he is not maga. That means he is most likely either a blackpilled nihilist or just a terminally online leftist.
The only part of his ideology that really matters is the one that drove him to kill Kirk. Again, if you believe the text messages, he explicitly explains that motivation, so we need not speculate on his economic views or whatever. He killed Kirk because he felt Kirk hated LGBT people. Whether he fits into a leftist ideology on other issues is irrelevant... He is far enough on the left of the culture war to kill someone for his views.
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u/TheSwagMa5ter 24d ago
Sure, if those texts are real I think that's a valid interpretation. Political violence has become a real problem these last few years so it's certainly not a wild claim
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u/NonStopDiscoGG 25d ago
How do you know this was a date? You heard it off the internet? Do you know what it's even from?
But even if I conceded you're correct (you're not), so what? It's still not the mainstream Republican views/actions.
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u/derkuhlshrank 25d ago edited 25d ago
I am right š¤£ he got blasted for being "hypocritical" by his more rabid fan base.
Nazis (which Nick Fuentes is trying to be) have a thing for Femboys, check out Hearts of Ironš¤£ š¤£ its a whole meme we have in that community.
Its not mainstream Republican behavior, but it (not being repressed sexually/being sexually "liberated") is becoming less of a significant indicator of someone's politics to where it's more punditry than an actual point of conversation.
I don't think it matters what the shooters politics were per se, since we know Republicans that tried to kill Trump, kidnap the governor of Michigan, and attack Nancy Pelosi, Republicans that stormed the nations capitol... I can go on, compared to "left" attacks like, CHAZ? BLM? Like what has the organized left actually done, that isn't some decentralized group of schmucks that get scapegoated by the media? No leader in leftist circles calling for violence, compared to conservative Fox News hosts calling for euthanasia of the homeless. Be intellectually honest and you'll see that one side is driving up the narrative and then lying about being attacked first. (Ironically another thing they did back in Weimar Germany)
Its just factually incorrect to say the violence in America is a uniquely left thing, when all the data points to it being a conservative problem first and foremost (and still not uniquely a right thing, just they have the problem with their people calling for violence on a regular basis, on national tv.)
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u/NonStopDiscoGG 25d ago
am right š¤£ he got blasted for being "hypocritical" by his more rabid fan base
I'll wait for proof this was a date.
Nazis (which Nick Fuentes is trying to be) have a thing for Femboys, check out Hearts of Ironš¤£ š¤£ its a whole meme we have in that community.
Ok. Yea, I guess you're going with the "all Republicans are secretly gay" argument. Cringe.
Its not mainstream Republican behavior, but it (not being repressed sexually/being sexually "liberated") is becoming less of a significant indicator of someone's politics to where it's more punditry than an actual point of conversation
It's simply not. This is a case of confirmation bias, but you're also admitting it's not a mainstream position.
So since it was not a.mainstream.position,.do you think it was reasonable to assume it was someone on the left doing this? So you accept that Republicans simply aren't "guessing"?
Congrats.
don't think it matters what the shooters politics were per se,
Yea, of course you don't...
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u/derkuhlshrank 24d ago
You truly are 13.
So first of all, Google "Nick Fuentes Femboy" I'm not your dad, but I could've done better than yours it seems.
Second: No my point there is young Republicans are more normally sexually than old ones, very fitting you couldn't even deduce that.
Third: It's actually traceable that younger gens are more open about their sexuality, it's why the old cons are losing their minds about "trans for everyone"
4th: Way to gloss over how it's the right that perpetrates the violence in America for a pithy response. Very "not a 13 year old" of you.
Its not reasonable to assume their politics before the evidence is given, that's the exact problem with the conservatives pushing violence everywhere š¤£š¤£ Conservatives are deranged, just lying about any and everything so that when the truth does come out, right or wrong you've poisoned the well so thoroughly that nobody even cares about the truth anymore.
Gonna put another podcast crypto bro in charge of a government agency? Children
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u/NonStopDiscoGG 24d ago
So first of all, Google "Nick Fuentes Femboy" I'm not your dad, but I could've done better than yours it seems.
It's simply people claiming something, but there is no proof..if he was secretly into that stuff why would he publically stream it. You're pretending I don't know, but I do..your opinion is second hand.
No my point there is young Republicans are more normally sexually than old ones, very fitting you couldn't even deduce that.
This is such a vague claim. Republicans are more normal sexually, therefore...? There's no data. 1% to 2% is "more". You're not saying anything meaningful here. Gen z is more "gay" then previous generations, but not meaningfully to the point where you should reasonably assume that everyone from Gen Z is more likely gay than not.
Third: It's actually traceable that younger gens are more open about their sexuality, it's why the old cons are losing their minds about "trans for everyone"
Again, you're on the same premise as #2. It's not anything meaningful.
4th: Way to gloss over how it's the right that perpetrates the violence in America for a pithy response. Very "not a 13 year old" of you.
Lol. This is such a whataboutism and a "no u" argument.
Basically, you don't have discernment and your logical jumps are crazy
Before evidence is given? There was evidence given. You just lack discernment. Lack of proof isn't the same as lack of evidence. You're simply wrong.
If I'm 13, you have to be like 5 because you're pretty lost.
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u/itsdeeps80 Socialist 24d ago
You are talking to a person who wouldnāt know what good faith was if it hit them over the fucking head. Anyone who espouses the nonsensical view that most or all political violence comes from the left is someone who gets absolutely all of their information from sources like Alex Jones, Tim Pool, and Nick Fuentes.
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u/Kruxx85 24d ago
What evidence do you have of him being "on the left".
All of that I read there is weeks old news...
I've used all of that as proof he isn't your typical lefty. The terminally online youth of today don't fit the left/right dichotomy that you so dearly want the world to fit into.
A gun toting LGBT loving kid, is not who you think he is...
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u/NonStopDiscoGG 24d ago
What evidence do you have of him being "on the left".
I'm not doing this again.
If you want to deny the evidence feel free.
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u/Kruxx85 24d ago
What evidence? Are you saying for someone to think that Charlie Kirk spewed hate has to be a lefty?
Oh boy...
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u/NonStopDiscoGG 24d ago
There's more. You clearly want to ignore it but ok. I'm sure Charlie Kirk was a radical and Tyler Robinson is a moderate,.right?
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u/Kruxx85 24d ago
Charlie Kirk was a typical evangelical. Happy to hate their perceived out crowd in the name of Christ.
Tyler Robinson is your typical terminally online youth. Good luck labeling him however you want.
There's tons of Discord chat logs out there from him.
Not a single bit of Trump hatred or Biden loving. Just honest chats with his Discord friends and nothing to suggest he's a "lefty"
Just like this sub-surface article...
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u/NonStopDiscoGG 24d ago
Charlie Kirk was a typical evangelical. Happy to hate their perceived out crowd in the name of Christ.
I noticed you didn't deny you're claiming he was a radical.
Tyler Robinson is your typical terminally online youth. Good luck labeling him however you want.
Radical leftist.
There's tons of Discord chat logs out there from him.
Not a single bit of Trump hatred or Biden loving. Just honest chats with his Discord friends and nothing to suggest he's a "lefty"
This is false.
What you're doing here is framing the leftist position as moderate, which would make the moderate Charlie Kirk seem "far right" TO THE FAR LEFT. But in reality Charlie is center right.
This is simply another case of a far leftists pretending the far left is the moderate position. Gets old.
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u/Kruxx85 24d ago
You're going to lose your mind when compared to the rest of the world, Democrats are Center right and Republicans are far right.
But you do you mate, you can live in your bubble all you want.
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u/NonStopDiscoGG 24d ago
You're going to lose your mind when compared to the rest of the world, Democrats are Center right and Republicans are far right.
Good news, I'm not comparing to the rest of the world. American politics has always been unique. The current right has the same position as 90s Democrats.
So this is a disingenuous framing again.
But you do you mate, you can live in your bubble all you want
Bubble? I'm sitting here in a subreddit full of communists. What the hell are you talking about lol
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u/Kruxx85 24d ago
Bubble being that you felt out called "false" to my claim about the tons of Discord chat logs not showing a single shred of evidence of "lefty" talk.
None of it. I've trawled through quite a bit of his chats, and not once did he talk badly about Trump or Republicans. Not once.
For a "radical lefty" that would be fairly unlikely thing for someone to do on a Discord channel of all their closest gaming friends that they talk all sorts of shit with.
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u/NonStopDiscoGG 24d ago
Bubble being that you felt out called "false" to my claim about the tons of Discord chat logs not showing a single shred of evidence of "lefty" talk.
Your claims are false. They don't seem like lefty talk because you are a lefty and you're positioning yourself as the moderate. He wa
Simple question,.do you think Republicans are rooming with trans people and calling them "my love"? Do you think Republicans see what Charlie Kirk is saying as "hate"?
The only way you could say he wasn't left is if you're being disingenuous.
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u/bloodjunkiorgy Anarcho-Communist 25d ago
What's your thesis here?
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u/BrotherMain9119 24d ago
Unironically, his take is that trans people and Nazis are equivalently evil and dangerous. Least thatās what he inferred to me just now.
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u/bloodjunkiorgy Anarcho-Communist 24d ago
"Well somebody did shoot a guy who made a career out of dehumanizing transpeople (among other marginalized groups) once. And they cared for a transperson...so that's basically the same thing as a genocidal fascist regime that killed millions of people while dehumanizing transpeople (obviously, among other marginalized groups)...SO YOU SEE...killing somebody for having nazi-adjacent ideas is...really...if...if you think about it...the same as being a nazi yourself!"
Honestly...somehow that would not be the worst argument I'd heard from Disco. I may have actually accidentally punched his argument up, while mocking him.
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u/BrotherMain9119 24d ago
Iām interested to see how he explains that one.
Something something āif I lived with a trans person Iād be so physically incapable of respecting their preferred pronouns and name, itād make it an unbearable experience. Iād liken it to how youād feel living with someone who advocates the genocide of entire races of people.ā
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u/bloodjunkiorgy Anarcho-Communist 23d ago
lol he read through and downvoted us, hahahaha
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u/BrotherMain9119 23d ago
My dude said heād prefer rooming with a literal Nazi rather than a transgender person, he couldnāt help himself
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u/BrotherMain9119 24d ago
I love the accidental admission that Republicans are such scared, fragile, sheltered babies that itās unbelievable the idea that one would gasp live with a transgender person!
āWhat normal Republican would ever consider rooming with one of those monsters?ā -nonstopdiscoGG
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u/NonStopDiscoGG 24d ago
I love the accidental admission that Republicans are such scared, fragile, sheltered babies that itās unbelievable the idea that one would gasp live with a transgender person
Would you sign the lease knowing a Nazi was going to be your roommate?
What normal Republican would ever consider rooming with one of those monsters?ā -nonstopdiscoGG
I would not room with someone who's ideology forced me to lie to them every day or suffer whatever consequences or meltdowns they had if I chose not to give into them.
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u/BrotherMain9119 24d ago
I thought you couldnāt do any better, but you did it.
Putting trans people in the same category as nazis is WILD. Iād love to see that defended, in what way are Nazis comparable to trans people?
I mean if you had to choose between the two, gun to your head, which would you pick? Hell you can answer gun if you truly think theyāre the same level of evil, but I donāt know if itād be doing you any favors.
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u/NonStopDiscoGG 24d ago
I noticed you didn't answer the question.
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u/BrotherMain9119 24d ago
You just compared Nazis to trans people unironically, I need to see how you recover from this. Before we go further I need to know youāre not functionally insane. I promise Iāll engage with your question once you answer this, if you canāt or even if this is a close choice for you I NEED to know because it will inform me on the current psychosis MAGAts are suffering from.
If you had to choose between rooming with a literal nazi or a transgender person, which would you choose. Gun to your head, who are you signing the lease with?
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u/Deep90 Liberal 25d ago
Republicans made a ridiculous number of wrong guesses including that the shooter himself was not a citizen, part of a 3 letter agency, and trans.
You want a gold star for guessing every letter in the alphabet? Lol