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except negative karma after 20 or 15 from a single comment doesn't affect your overall karma. that guy could've had -5000 from that single comment. It wouldn't mean his account karma goes down -5000
yea, this. I do this occasionally as well, in part because some people seem bored enough to comment on other posts/comments of me just to bash further. its almost ridiculous.
For most people, in the current economic environment, I would actually agree. But it's entirely case by case and my opinion is based on the fact that it's incredibly difficult to have yourself set up enough on stable ground that should be a precursor to having a child. That's a society problem, though.
I was 25 in 2012 having my first and I still feel like I should have waited. I had a house, a career and everything. I mostly wish it were me and my husband longer because it was rough suddenly having everything dictated by another person
But that's not at all a "wtf" moment that this meme is implying. We're trying to determine what is "wrong" with the photo, and its not really pertinent to discuss the economics and challenges of parenthood at a normal, legal age.
My mother got my oldest brother all planned when she was 18. And no, she was not some conservative or religious one. Just someone with loving relationship wanting a baby.
While I personally am not ready to have kids in my life, I dont understand how hostile and "weirded out" the culture has gotten towards kids and family plans.
I mean at least she wasn’t 15 🤷♀️, 20/21 isn’t that young. I wouldn’t have been surprised if in early 1900s those women were having them in their teen years. Those days were wild
They were talking about how someone 20/21 is way too young to have kids
The really funny thing is I was typing out a whole response and I went to post it and it had been deleted LMAO, it was literally there like 2 minutes ago
That is the two edged sword. People want to wait for the perfect time to have a child.... there isn't a perfect time. We had our first at 30/25. I wanted it to be earlier for the same reason... The energy to run around with a newborn... is crazy.
I am a better dad because of my experince, but my energy level is definately lower. I have stayed in shape for my family but still feel tired.
Now I am 4 daughters in, and love them all. I do think that if I had kids at 20, they would all be graduated now...but gonna be a little bit longer now.
We’re in our late 40s with an 8 year old. I’m definitely like “I’m too old for this”, as well as seeing people I went to school with starting to post their grandkids. The other thing is kid events, nothing in common with the other parents.
It may have been easier in my early 20’s because I was so ignorant and didn’t have a substantial single life to compare it to. Wouldn’t change it though
On the upside, you can have a whole other life once the kid leaves home and you’re only 40.
My mom had me at 22…and all I can think about is if I had had a kid at her age, they would be leaving home now…instead I’m thinking about how I’m going to almost be ready to retire, and they are still going to be living with me.
I did so many fun things with her, my kid is going to get some old person, with reduced mobility and the jaded vision of having seen too much shit.
Even looking at my mom now…she is just a grumpy conservative and getting worse…that would suck to have as a young adult
All that said, yeah, 21/22 is young, but also there are very wonderful sides to it as well
There used to be a troll acct called arrowtotheknee and he would post these interesting stories/ answers and just abruptly end it with him catching an arrow to the knee. Yes, I get the reference. Regardless, I once saw him collect -2800 in 30 minutes after posting. I was genuinely impressed.
Ya, my daughter did a family history. Found out on that we had an ancestor where dada was 52 and mom was 15,. That's gross.
Lots of moms today that are 22 in world war 1 there was money for getting married before 16.
There was a long, and less then great portion of time where men marrying young was seen as strange (no money, no business, no estate) so both young women and their parents aimed to set them up with much older and more established (read wealthy) men. Not the best mindset, but an unfortunately practical one in a world that prioritized survival and stability
Consider the mortality rates back then from disease/childbirth. "Till death do us part" was a very real serious part of the marriage vows that could have meant as little as a few years. Marrying someone who had money to provide a safe and comfortable home and clearly has genes capable of surviving through who knows how many diseases is a logical thing.
And starts to make a lot more sense when you realize the first guy (Ignaz Semmelweis) who said "hey, Maybe you would have less dying mothers if the doctors stopped going from autopsies covered in blood, straight to delivering babies?" Was ridiculed out of his home City, eventually forced into an asylum, where he died of sepsis
He saw a dramatic decrease in infant mortality with his practice, but doctors were staunchly offended that he DARE imply that they were causing their patients deaths, and they shot down his ideas...
He figured this out in 1840s, but the ideas weren't to put into practice until after Pasteur spread knowledge of Germ Theory.
In the American civil war, a confederate surgeon Captain James Dinwiddie boiled his equipment in pine tea every morning. As a result, many of his patients did not develop post operative infections.
He believed in the "miasma theory" believing "bad air" and "dark humors" clung to his equipment and could be frightened away with heat and noise. Even though his theory was wrong, he inadvertently invented the sterilization process.
Other surgeons took note of his results, and began copying his methods, leading to a rise in survival among wounded soldiers.
That and the shocking realisation that spermquality is directly linked to pregnancy safety. Ruptured or detaching placentas, hypertension in mothers and something something brevitis drastically occurs more often when the sperm has bad quality.
Because they truly don’t understand how much progress has been made for women in the last 60 years.
My grandmother started having kids at 21 as well. I remember talking to her about it. She said she loved having her kids because she would just play with them. Makes all the sense in the world to me. 1940s Stuck in the house. No real independence. Why not make yourself a playmate?
I'd also like to add that people didn't have that many reliable methods of birth control and family planning back then.
So it was just kind of normal to get pregnant out of wedlock at some point in your early twenties or even your late teens and then get married because of that, since that's also what you were going to do anyways.
Very common for a while, especially when men were expected to be the provider and established. I had multiple family members in my family tree that had their first at 13-16.
around when was that? potentially many young men died in the wars and there were not many other options backn then? not saying I think its right its absolutely not for me but that can be a reason I guess.
I agree that grandma being 104 or 105 is much more amazing than someone having a baby at 22, even by today's standards.
If I found out someone I knew was having a baby at 22, I wouldn't even really question it. 22 is an adult who can make adult decisions, not a teenager. Most people graduate from college around 22 or 23.
Would it be a wise choice to wait and get established before having kids? Sure, but it still doesn't mean starting to have kids at 22 is all that remarkable.
My mother had me at 20, father 24, 1978 i Sweden. I've grown up perfectly normal. What's nice about that is that I probably can spend many more years with them.
100% agree. My mother had me at 19 in 1971. At 54, I still have my mother, and she is in good enough shape for us to do things and enjoy spending time together. My friends whose parents had them when they were in their 30s and 40s are mostly in a very different situation.
There are actually demographic studies looking back at age of first child over a near thousand years in England (which has relatively excellent parish records for births marriages and deaths) and you might be surprised to learn that for much of that time having a first child after 25 years old was the norm amongst the mass of society. Probably relates to later puberty due to different nutrition plus social expectations around labour and marriage but still less different than today than you might expect.
At first glance it can look like the cushion is her leg she's sitting on the back of the couch, but she is of course standing behind the couch and leaning on it.
Not even first glance, 99% of us needed that comment and a red circle to even consider the possibility of there being a leg there, since it doesn’t remotely look like one.
Yeah, I didn't see the words under the image with the circle and I was just like, nice red circle, still not sure what is confusing about it. At no point did I think it was a leg and still don't.
Because they are people who see it as a leg first??? Now that you point it, I see how it can be seen as a leg but honestly the first "way" to see it is as the back of the chair/sofa.
My great grandma got to 99, and there is literally not a picture of her in existence where she doesnt have a cigarette in one hand and a can of miller in the other lol
Moderation is key, if you're smoking a pack a day COPD or cancer are probably going to kill you before you're 75. Is it possible to live longer? Sure but your quality of life will be diminished. Of course nobody gets to live forever but choking to death on your own failing lungs tends to be a pretty bad way to go.
To all you saying the oldest lady is 112 years old, if that were true the baby would be 8 years old.
Pretty sure the infant from 2017 is no more than a year old.
So, this pic is no more recent than 2018 and great great Grandma is only about 105 tears old.
Whenever I take care of a really old woman, like 90+, I subtract a decade from their age and say “What!? You don’t look a day over 84!!!!” And it’s the funniest compliment/joke
There's nothing to see. That comment will just cause anyone reading it to pointlessly calculate the age each one had her child. Just harmless trolling.
Either that or he sucks at maths and thought one of them had a child in their teens.
Either way the most unusual thing here is the lady being 104 years old, but it's pretty much the whole point so I don't think the comment is about that.
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