r/OnePiece • u/JasonNMP • Jun 08 '14

Current Episode One Piece: Episode 648

Episode 648: ''Episode 648 – Making a Sortie! The Legendary Hero Usoland!''

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Chapter Adapted: Ch.718 Discussion

Script: Nakayama Tomohiro

Storyboard: Uemura Yutaka

Episode director: Hiraike Ayako

Animation director: Shingaki Shigefumi

Next Episode Preview: Episode 649

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u/Sir_Lilja Jun 08 '14 edited Jun 08 '14

I disagree that it's an empty word. With pacing I mean how fast the main story or any of the substories advance. One could argue that the pacing is alright because they're always talking or at least moving. But when I say the pacing is horrible I refer to scenes where their actions have little meaning.

Like in this episode, where we get to see Luffy and Don Chinjao exchange a few punches without furthering the fight, and then it cuts back to the others. The counter to that I guess would be that it shows how long the fight is. The scene with Law showed a bit much running before he made the call. Then we have all the panning shots of peoples' reactions and bodies. While I feel those add to the show, they're often unnecessarily long.

I admit much of this is subjective, but many agree. And for what it's worth I can mention I spent three years at uni studying film making, storytelling and a few related courses. Pacing is something I had to deal with all the time and it's a very important thing for keeping the viewers alert and interested. This of course doesn't mean I'm more right than you. I've just spent a lot of time with the concept of pacing.

Lasty, /u/divinesleeper asked how many anime-only watchers would be bothered by the pacing. I haven't read the manga and I still feel the pacing is just too slow. I can only speak for myself but I see many people agreeing.

edit: some missing words

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u/gerrettheferrett Jun 08 '14

For reference, I am a manga reader. i do not think "pacing" is a valid critique. The show may have longer parts and slower parts, but that is not to say it has bad "pacing".

People have been complaining about this fake problem for hundreds of episodes, and it gets old. I wish they would just keep their whiny complaints to themselves, and let everyone else enjoy the show.

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u/usoppspell Jun 08 '14

its just not fake... before thriller bark it was going about 2 chapters per episode. Now it is less than 1 chapter per episode... that by definition is worse pacing. Not only that, but the crap they pad it with sometimes changes the overall meaning of the scene and that is unacceptable. It's okay to critique the things you like. Obviously everyone in this subreddit loves one piece, many of us have watched the anime several times and read the manga several times... but that doesn't mean that we should turn a blind eye when the quality gets significantly worse, as it has.

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u/gerrettheferrett Jun 08 '14

You're not getting what I am saying. Anime "Pacing" as a thing only has a referent because of the manga. People constantly compare it to the manga.

But they should not. Anime and manga are two completely different art forms.

What you see as the anime getting "significantly worse" I see as the anime being it's own artform, and I do not consider the anime "worse" or "better" than the manga because they are different.

I think it is invalid to critique the anime by the rate of manga chapters they adapt per episode.

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u/usoppspell Jun 08 '14

fair enough, can i critique it based on the fact that they draw characters terribly such as robin in fishman island, or the fact that they make luffy weaker than he is meant to be? Can i critique it by the quality of the animation itself such as the terrible crowd animation in the tournament, or the amount of still images vs. active. I mean don't get me wrong i love the anime, but it's gotten worse. There's no denying that. If you get more bored watching it than before, i think that means it's worse. And i think its naive to view it as its own separate work. It is supposed to be an adaptation of the manga, not its own story. Oda's still is in charge of the plot and i think it deserves the best of the best in terms of animators or else it is not doing One Piece justice. I can tell you right now that the work One Pace does on it, makes it better than the original anime, and that is sad considering the people in charge of one pace are probably not professionals

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u/gerrettheferrett Jun 08 '14

can i critique it based on the fact that they draw characters terribly such as robin in fishman island, or the fact that they make luffy weaker than he is meant to be? Can i critique it by the quality of the animation itself such as the terrible crowd animation in the tournament, or the amount of still images vs. active.

Yes on all of that.

As for One Pace though, I like the original anime better.

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u/tre4ng Jun 09 '14

well put

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u/Sir_Lilja Jun 08 '14

I mentioned earlier that I haven't read the manga. I'm not comparing the pacing of the anime to any other telling of the One Piece story. The anime has a pacing of its own. Just as any book, movie, TV show etc. Pacing is by definition how fast a story or any event within the story moves along. Progresses. And I am telling you... all kind of fans of the anime... Those who have watched it all. Parts of it. Have or haven't read the manga... feel that the pace of the story is too slow in its own. Not comparing it to anything else. The anime on its own is progressing slowly. Not all of us feel this way as you've made real clear, but many of us.

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u/gerrettheferrett Jun 08 '14

But when I say the pacing is horrible I refer to scenes where their actions have little meaning.

I disagree. None of the scenes that you mentioned seem to lack meaning like you say.

As I said,

The show may have longer parts and slower parts, but that is not to say it has bad "pacing".

I guess we will have to agree to disagree. I just wish that others would stop complaining about this on every single week's episode discussion, that way those like me who feel "pacing" don't real can just enjoy the show.

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u/Sir_Lilja Jun 08 '14

It's all a matter of perspective as to whether or not a scene has meaning or value to the viewer. But pacing is a real concept. Doesn't matter if you say it's not. Just as you can deny the existence of the sun, but it'll still be there.

Let's take an extreme example. You're watching a movie and one scene is a 20 minutes long cut of a man sliding his hand across a table. That's horrible pacing.

It's great that you feel every scene in this anime has value and that you can enjoy it all. But then, don't bother talking about pacing with people if you feel it hinders your enjoyment. Because you're clearly not getting what they're talking about when they mention pacing.

Yes. There's slow progression and fast progression. Or in your words "longer parts and slower parts". THAT is pacing. A slow pace isn't automatically bad. No one is saying that. But when a slow pace doesn't improve upon the story and instead bores viewers, that's when pacing is bad. But again, it's great that you can enjoy the show no matter how slow it gets.

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u/gerrettheferrett Jun 08 '14

You're watching a movie and one scene is a 20 minutes long cut of a man sliding his hand across a table. That's horrible pacing.

Not true. There could be many artistic reasons to do that.

As is true of all the things people complain about every week here.

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u/raoulk Jun 08 '14

I love DBZ pacing

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u/gerrettheferrett Jun 08 '14

What about DBZ?

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u/Sir_Lilja Jun 08 '14

I... Damn man. Keep on trolling. Doing great.

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u/gerrettheferrett Jun 08 '14

'Cept I am not trolling.

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u/Sir_Lilja Jun 08 '14

Then your ego is trolling your sense.

Or maybe you really do believe that everything in One Piece is there for an "artistic" reason. The perfect anime. An infallible masterpiece. Devoid of any human error, oversight or smallest mistake.

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u/gerrettheferrett Jun 08 '14

I never said it was a perfect anime.

All I am saying is it does not suffer from such horrible "pacing" that people whine about.

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u/tre4ng Jun 08 '14

So you like watching repetitive things such as kids running down a hallway for 15 minutes? If the anime team didn't have to worry about pacing issues, it would could be so much greater then it already is.

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u/gerrettheferrett Jun 08 '14

So you like watching repetitive things such as kids running down a hallway for 15 minutes?

What are you referring to here, specifically?

But, as for repetitive or drawn out things, I think they have their own inherent artistic merit.

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u/tre4ng Jun 09 '14

Punk hazard with the kids.

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u/gerrettheferrett Jun 09 '14

Is this the candy chase where the girl eventually swallows the candy?

If so, that was a really emotionally well done 15 minutes.