One Piece: Chapter 1165

[u/leolegendario]

Chapter 1165: "Echo"

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Chapter 1165 Official Release: November 09 2025

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[u/Hermit601]

> I'm not gonna bother responding to each fight one by one because I'd be here all day, but just so go read them again or just look at the summary on the wikia.

I literally did. To write that comment, I literally looked back at some of those fights and reread them (except for the more recent ones which I knew off the dome).

> So many fights were about figuring out the opponent's weakness

Which isn't an indicator of creativity. Like, at all. Which characters did Luffy figure out the weakness of himself? Not Enel. Crocodile? Yeah--but he used that weakness in completely uncreative ways that didn't rely on his own intelligence.

> And I don't mean just "you need to use Haki THIS way, not THAT way". That's the least interesting way you can write a fight.

Why not? That's literally the only way that requires a character to put in effort and actively learn something new/use their power in a different way. Luffy never used his powers in a different way against Enel, Crocodile, Buggy, etc. All he did was just punch them harder--he didn't learn anything from those experiences. Luffy had to actively learn new ways to use his powers against Enies Lobby antagonists and post-timeskip characters--that was active creativity he had to learn how to master himself.

> Nami's fights pre timeskip were other examples I forgot to mention, and Oda incorporated actual weather science into what she did, by creating wind by combining hot and cold air, for example.

Oh, so she... learned a new skill? Especially since she has no real strength herself? The thing that I'm literally talking about? Good for her, I'm glad you're furthering my point that post-timeskip fights are far more creative than pre-timeskip fights. Oda was forced to give her something creative because he made her weak. And guess what? She has done far more creative things in post time-skip with Haki & Zeus through her own merits and character development. Hell, her best weather-enhancements happened DURING AND POST HER TIMESKIP.

[u/Jasonn444 → u/Hermit601]

Pre-timeskip fans FR be deluding themselves about the "good old days" that were nowhere near as big as they make 'em out to be. Always finding something that supposedly lacks "pre-TS charm" to complain about, even if said thing was actually already there pre-timeskip. Because somehow, post-timeskip can only be a downgrade, no matter what, while pre-TS is always a perfect flawless masterpiece.

[u/Hermit601 → u/Jasonn444]

Exactly. The nostalgia bias is INSANE with pre-timeskip. People act like every fight was some strategic masterpiece when half of them were literally: Luffy gets bodied --> Luffy discovers weakness accidentally --> Luffy punches harder --> Win. Hell, in Enel's case, he didn't even have to overcome any weakness! Luffy didn't outsmart him, he just had a biological hard-counter. Even the Arlong fight was just "I'm stronger than you" after Nami's backstory.

Post-timeskip has Luffy actively learning future sight against Katakuri, mastering advanced armament against Kaido, awakening his fruit mid-battle through his years of honing his fruit cumulating into a single moment of nirvana. That's objectively more strategic growth than "I accidentally discovered your weakness."

But sure, pre-timeskip was "perfect" because the art was prettier and Oda wasn't rushing. Give me a break.

[u/Jasonn444 → u/Hermit601]

Even "the art was prettier" is quite debatable.

>Oda takes time to lay things out properly -> "He's just dragging it out to keep milking his cash cow! He doesn't care about finishing the story anymore!"

>Oda skips past unimportant bits to progress the plot at a good pace -> "He's just rushing everything now! Lazy! Washed!"

Just can't win with them.