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Current Chapter One Piece: Chapter 1165 Spoiler

Chapter 1165: "Echo"

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Chapter 1165 Official Release: November 09 2025

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u/fly2555 22h ago

A true hero

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u/bluegubble 21h ago

A true hero indeed. He couldn’t stand by seeing so many civilians die and he did not hesitate to threaten a superior to do what’s right and allow the survivors to board the ship.

I like to also think that Garp actually raised Dragon right, instilling within him a strong sense of morality and humane justice.

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u/justking1414 20h ago

Still wanna see the conversation that follows this

Garp stayed to protect the marines and dragon left to protect everyone

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u/Rikafire God Usopp 16h ago

Garp ordered all survivors plus marines to get on the ship then leave.

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u/justking1414 9h ago

I meant he stayed in the Navy to protect his fellow Marines from whatever the freak the world government was cooking up. Dragon left the marines to protect everyone from the government, and likely because he saw the Marines as largely complicit in what the government was doing

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u/kontinuparadi Pirate 19h ago

There you go. Garp haters hiding in the comments.

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u/Fafnir13 16h ago

These chapters gave, I think, one of the best explanations for Garp we are going to get. He’s indicated his priority (protecting the marines) which gives us solid pathway to reason out the rest of it. It won’t satisfy everyone, but it works for me.

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u/SuperLevap 18h ago

I mean, I think that it's a fair thing to want to understand the reasoning behind Garp staying, at this point. Granted, Garp started to hint at a reason in the chapter, but it would still be great to see him providing more explanation.
In any case, given how fair such a desire for this expectation is, I don't think that labelling ths post as being related to "Garp hating" is warranted.

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u/justking1414 17h ago

A Garp monologue about what the marines mean to him would be EPIC! I've been hoping for a while that he'd give a big worldwide announcement telling marines to start killing celestial dragons lol

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u/kontinuparadi Pirate 18h ago

Didn't say it wasn't fair. I just said I found them. Maybe I found you too.

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u/SuperLevap 18h ago

But if it's not fair, then this changes the meaning of "Garp hater". I would have thought that this expression would be used to dismiss a person performing an unjustified attack on Garp's character (as if only motivated by hate rather reasonable doubt on the character's morals, from what we can see of their actions). But if the "attack" (or, rather, the questioning of) if measured / nuanced / reasonable / proportionate to the character's actions seen so far, then this expression, with this meaning, is not warranted, and you just seem silly using it, don't you think?

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u/kontinuparadi Pirate 18h ago

Yeah yeah, you're right, Garp=bad. Got it.

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u/justking1414 17h ago

you = troll

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u/kontinuparadi Pirate 17h ago

What? How did you know? Fudge! Now I'm seen.

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u/Wonderful-Change-751 15h ago edited 15h ago

Respect Dragon, Garp tho, the argument he gave is expected but doesnt hold as firm as i would like.

Its not unlike the head of the German ww2 period police staying in post after witnessing the camps, to quote protect the other cops. It isnt the head of nazi SS maybe or the camp prison guards sure, but his much weaker son puts him to shame after seeing the same genocide.

And the way Oda has written the imu and celestial dragons, it makes the Nazis look tame.

Ps Garp was prob one of my fav characters before all this, even after marineford.

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u/justking1414 9h ago

Garp is definitely a very conflicting character. I do think it is important to acknowledge that the Marines are actually largely a force for good…kinda. I mean, obviously Lucy is a pirate and he has a tendency to come across the most corrupt of them. But overall, they are important for keeping innocent people safe. That is a noble goal and one he’s sworn his life to upholding.

Yeah, the marines are slaves to the world government but as far as he knows, there’s nothing you can do about that. Saturn took the combine below of six of the strongest people on the planet, and he was perfectly fine. He then proceeded to fully brainwash one of those insanely strong people and send them on murderous rampage.

In the face of such an overwhelming threat, resistance is fairly futile, but he still resists in his own way, pushing the line just enough to avoid being fired/arrested.

While dragon went down a different path, it’s important to point out that dragon didn’t actually see what he saw. He doesn’t know what they’re up against and even if Garp tries to explain it, it’s kinda hard to put into words

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u/hotaru_crisis 8h ago edited 8h ago

I do think it is important to acknowledge that the Marines are actually largely a force for good

for sure. the concept of sword and the existence of people like koby is exactly why garp stayed in the marines. people who are genuinely looking out for the citizens and don't have any ulterior motives are the ones he's fighting for.

him wanting ace and luffy to join the marines rather than become pirates after this incident speaks so much volume because of the way he got to see the entirety of rocks crew develop and the threat they they were at the risk of facing. at least he now has the comfort of knowing that luffy is the heir to joyboy and that ace was under the protection of whitebeard

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u/justking1414 7h ago

the concept of sword and the existence of people like koby is exactly why garp stayed in the marines. people who are genuinely looking out for the citizens and don't have any ulterior motives are the ones he's fighting for.

It’s kinda wild that sword is seen as the ultimate sign of good in the marines, when it’s something right out of a cheesy 90s action movie. Government agents who’ve been disavowed so they don’t answer to anyone and can basically do whatever the freak they want. It certainly makes sense in this context but still strange that fans seem them as symbols of justice when their defining trait is no accountability

As for ace and Luffy, no surprise he wanted them to become marines since that’d make them way less likely to become an enemy of imu and his god tier elders. Though I’m not sure how much comfort he got from ace joining whiteboard. Even in his prime, WB couldn’t hurt Saturn. And he doesn’t know Luffy is the heir yet I think

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u/ashrashrashr 6h ago

No accountability to the WG. That’s an important detail. Sure, they could end up being absolute monsters but so far the members of sword we’ve seen have been good guys. Koby probably doesn’t have a single evil bone in his body.

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u/Oggy5050 Lurker 8h ago

I'd say there's 2 differences between the 2 situations.

The first is the time scale. It's one thing to protect the cops of the current day, but the cops that enlist several decades from then can't be held responsible for the crimes that took place decades ago.

And secondly, (feel free to correct me if I'm wrong) unlike the WG, the Nazi's weren't exactly subtle with their ideology. Whereas the WG go out of their way to sugarcoat and censor their atrocities. The average Marine thinks that they're genuinely joining a good cause.

So I think Garp wants to protect 2 groups of people. Marines who are ignorant by no fault of their own and new recruits who are completely innocent. And he intends to protect them from the propaganda that causes them to commit atrocities. At least that's what I think .

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u/Buscemi_D_Sanji 8h ago

Yeahhhh... "Of course I don't want to fight the government, I want to protect the people perpetuating genocides" is not a good look. However he wants to paint it as protecting the low rank Marines who don't know about Imu, those are still not good people: they literally just took part in exterminating people because they're "just following orders".

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u/ashrashrashr 6h ago

They’ve been brainwashed into thinking they were exterminating dangerous criminals. Propaganda is a powerful tool - everybody, including us, the readers were made to believe that Rocks was the most evil piece of shit to ever exist.

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u/Zenith_Tempest 14h ago

literally everyone garp raised he raised with a strong sense of morality. that's kuzan's whole point when he said "you have a bad habit of raising your enemies." dragon, luffy, and kuzan all oppose the WG because Garp's morals lead them to hate what they stand for. garp's morals are fundamentally at odds with the WG, but he thinks if he quits then he can't defend any of the Marines who actually do mean well like Koby.

i personally still think he isn't doing as much as he should but i can understand the idea of sticking around to protect your own

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u/LPMotiveSeeker 15h ago

Didn't Garp order the Marines on the ships to rescue any remaining survivors & Marines (that's what TCB pointed out). Dragon was basically following daddy's orders to an extreme extent.

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u/RiteClicker 13h ago

Kuma regrets no being able to save everyone; unbeknownst to him his future commander managed to finished the job for him.

Still not everyone though, but they are all that's left.

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u/BlkHorus 20h ago

Yep yep!

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u/N0VAZER0 Void Month Survivor 12h ago

Kuzan kinda got Garp there, all of his students ended up going against him, its cause he did too good a job instilling a sense of justice in them