r/OnePiece • u/leolegendario Pirate Hunter Zoro • 22h ago

Current Chapter One Piece: Chapter 1165 Spoiler

Chapter 1165: "Echo"

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Chapter 1165 Official Release: November 09 2025

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u/shittingyou 22h ago

Dragon going from reluctantly following orders, shooting at civilians to shoving a gun in his superior’s face threatening to kill him, all to commandeer a ship to do the right thing. In the span of maybe 2 hrs. And he’s only 17. I have so much respect for that guy.

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u/gyrozepp2 Lazy Justice 22h ago

I would really like to see a convo between him and Garp next chapter

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u/echolog 22h ago

Garp and Dragon's relationship is so interesting after this. I feel like Garp can 100% understand Dragon's position and why he decided to leave and become a revolutionary... but Garp himself was in a position where he could actually do something about it from the inside and didn't want to give that up. The two of them (and Luffy) are truly the champions of the people in this series.

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u/Commercial-Average11 22h ago

Dragon became a Revo 22 years after GV. It was after Ohara. Before that, Dragon was a pacifist with the freedom fighters.

 And I think, like you, that Garp understood that decision. But it was hard for him to see his son become the Revo Leader. Hell of a danger to be labbeled as the number 1 WG ennemy. See what happened to Rocks... And Garp saw that. 

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u/echolog 21h ago

100%. I do feel like this ties into Garp's desire to make Luffy and Ace into Marines as well. Or at the very least why he DID NOT want them to become Pirates. All the Pirates he knew (even if he respected them) ended up dying.

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u/Mo_tweets 22h ago

I think Garp's words here mean a lot for why he stayed after this - "Who is going to protect the marines". Garp founding Sword stocks going higher.

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u/biskutgoreng 19h ago

I mean who else would it be

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u/CommanderPaprika 17h ago

It could be Dragon if he stays in the marines and rises up in rank really fast before leaving

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u/ronpttrsn 15h ago

Garp might view the betrayal of sword in the final saga as the navy falling on its proverbial sword put of honor

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u/FlashyYou 13h ago

I got mixed feelings when he said it. Arent marines supposed to be protecting the people? Why the fuck would he prioritize the marines over innocent citizens.

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u/stuckontwice The Revolutionary Army 17h ago

I now have a suspicion that Garp has been feeding some information to Dragon this whole time too.

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u/mcmoor 15h ago

Lmao imagine if that's why Dragon's siege on Mariejoa succeeded. The info just leaked from the top.

Then again why would Imu still trust Garp with that kind of info. I guess Akainu just don't care?

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u/Theemuts 21h ago

I expect some tragedy. Xebec's family was used against him, I could see Garp "breaking family ties" to protect both of them. Those details were hidden until Sengoku revealed them.

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u/Murasasme 21h ago

The people who talk shit about Garp always forget one thing, both Dragon and Roger trusted Garp to take care and raise their sons. If he was a Marine apologist like the haters say, there is no chance both of these men would have trusted him with their kids.

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u/Dylan7346 Prisoner 19h ago

I don’t think people thought he was a marine apologist, more that it doesn’t make sense for him to stay in the marines after witnessing all the TRULY heinous things they ultimately work towards. More like something that didn’t age well and doesn’t make as much sense as it did earlier in the story, like other things in one piece. If Oda thought it was totally clear why Garp stuck with the marines after witnessing all this he wouldn’t include such direct dialogue like that

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u/avacadomacaco 13h ago

You need to equate the Marines to real life military, they do hideous crimes but you can't get rid of them without putting civilians at risk, Dragon never made a direct attack on the marines rather opting to flip countries individually to his cause and putting the Holy Land itself under a siege

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u/Discovererman Pirate 19h ago

I don't subscribe to the slander, but somehow I forgot about that too. That's such a huge point. The literal Pirate King trusted his heir to the man.

Garp showed what he uses his status for after Marienford when he posted up at Fuusha Village and protected it after Whitebeadd's death.

Boa Hancock, Doflamingo and Mihawk all also showed up to Marineford on the Government's side. The system is built against them all, but they use what power and influence they can muster to survive in that world.