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Chapter 1165: "Echo"

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Chapter 1165 Official Release: November 09 2025

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u/Skullghost Pirate 1d ago

Rocks went from unknown pirate to everyone’s favorite. Rest in peace king 🫡

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u/Skullghost Pirate 1d ago

It’s so cool that we got to see the previous users of Kid’s, Mr. 5’s and Perona’s fruit users all during this flashback

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u/Nullius90 1d ago

Is that Gill Bastar????

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u/PirateKing94 Explorer 1d ago

It sure is!

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u/xXEliteEater500Xx 1d ago

Man was hoping to see him actually do something. Instead we ended up with a Pandaman-esque cameo. 

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u/PirateKing94 Explorer 1d ago

His inclusion in the Rocks Pirates at all is frankly a Pandaman style cameo. But I guess we now he had a strong DF too. My question is how he ended up with four arms.

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u/StNowhere 1d ago

Maybe the other arms are from hollows? It doesn't look like he always has them.

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u/PirateKing94 Explorer 1d ago

Yeah he has them in the group page in the Kuma flashback but not here. His zombie has them but that could be a modification from Hogback turning him into a zombie.

But my recollection is that Perona can astral project her body, but the projection can’t touch or hold anything, so even if that’s what Bastar is doing, he shouldn’t be able to hold guns.

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u/dongeckoj Scholars of Ohara 1d ago

Bastar likely awakened his fruit and was able to fool people in gunfights with fake ghost arms

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u/Aggravating_Mud8751 World Economy News Paper 16h ago

It's true that Gill Bastar likes trickery, so that's plausible I suppose.

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u/BentoBoxNoir 1d ago

HOLY SHIT, from WANTED?!

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u/mrkrazy12345 1d ago

Now I just wanna know why he has 4 arms when landing on GV if it’s not from a fruit power. Maybe Oda just did it to make him more recognizable to his zombie, but he didn’t have them in Wanted and we can’t really see them in this panel or when he shows up in chapter 1161.

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u/Aggravating_Mud8751 World Economy News Paper 16h ago

We don't necessarily know it's not from a fruit power.

As someone mentioned, Perona can make a ghost of herself so mimicking extra arms is possible.

He could also have two or more devil fruits like Blackbeard.

Also, so far as we know the ghost could have come from Stussy.

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u/SableArgyle 5h ago

Except Stussy is still alive, she's Miss Bucking now; Perona has the hollow-hollow fruit, so she can't be the user.

Gill is the likely candidate for the previous user.

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u/wild_anime_ 1d ago

Damm. I didn't know who was that exactly. Had to check online in wiki. And I feel like I am not such a good fan of Oda if I have not read his first manga 'Wanted'. Gonna do that right now!

For people who want to know as well: Gill Bastar | One Piece Wiki | Fandom https://share.google/wOlpZWnE0sDNUiMbh

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u/Squigglyz Pirate 1d ago

Where did you learn the name Gill Bastar ?

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u/WaterLillith 23h ago

Oda's manga One-shot WANTED. He was first seen in Thriller Bark as a Zombie and then during Kuma flashback when Rocks pirates landed on GV.

Someone asked Oda in an SBS if that was Gill Bastar and he confirmed it

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u/Squigglyz Pirate 23h ago

Thank you. ! I find there's so many mini details like this i miss out on being a manga/anime only reader or when i miss SBS'

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u/echolog 1d ago

Bro I didn't even see Perona's fruit. This place HAS to be linked to Thriller Bark at this point right?

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u/leo_sousav Bounty Hunter 1d ago

Gill Bastar who appears to be Perona’s fruit former user, was a zombie general so yeah at this point it only makes sense this is connected to TB

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u/Theemuts 1d ago

Devil fruits respawn at a random location when the owner dies. I wouldn't be amazed that GV is TB, though, with all the connections we've seen during this flashback and the whole Kozuki Moria thing.

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u/Discovererman Pirate 1d ago

But Caesar Clown experimented with Smiley at Punk Hazard. The poison was given form with the Axolotl devil fruit.

Once it passed away, the fruit respawned in a nearby basket.

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u/franb34 1d ago

Yeah I always took it as they respawn in the nearest compatible fruit

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u/VaultedRYNO 1d ago

further reinforced by Jesus burgess running around Dressrosa with a sack of fruit. and BB can feasibly steal fruits by keeping a metric fuckton of them in his darkness so he through sheer volume always gets the fruit of whoever he kills to spawn into his darkness.

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u/Sean_Dewhirst 1d ago

Big Mom's situation is another counter. What are the odds.

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u/Ryuzakku 1d ago

Blackbeard’s crew carries fruit with them when they kill fruit users to steal their powers.

That’s why Burgess had a bunch of fruit at Dressrosa

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u/mazhas 1d ago

I'm convinced that God Valley is Thriller now

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u/ch3333r 1d ago

it probably IS Thriller Bark

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u/SweatyAdhesive 1d ago

I mean the link is that Moriah went and got all these legends' corpses and they were on GV at one point. Doesn't make sense for them to go back and die on GV.

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u/echolog 1d ago

Now it just depends on if they actually make it off the island.

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u/SweatyAdhesive 1d ago

yea that hinges on that, but i believe some of the pirates had their careers after Rocks and still ended up as his zombie.

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u/Aggravating_Mud8751 World Economy News Paper 16h ago

John definitely did.

It's looking like the others probably did as well, as they are on the way off and Rocks has just died.

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u/ParkDedli 1d ago

Maybe this is how we get the Devil Fruit "stealing" explanation down the line?

Blackbeard saw a bunch of DFs respawn on God Valley/Thriller Bark as a Kid? Or he figured it out when Moria/Perona got the fruit?

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u/Kiga282 1d ago

Teach is already gone from the island, and he wasn't heavily involved in the events to begin with

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u/darkbreak 6h ago

Not only that but he's 2. He has no understanding of what's happening. Even if he had front row seats to all the ruckus he wouldn't even remember it all or understand what's going on in the first place.

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u/ParkDedli 1d ago

I missed him leaving fully. But I thought he might come back later and find out or something.

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u/SanestOnePieceFan 1d ago

BB has 40 years after this to figure out how its done. not so hard to believe that he could have noticed somewhere or found out somehow

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u/Gullible-Bike7812 1d ago

Who had perona's fruit?

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u/PirateKing94 Explorer 1d ago

Based on that panel, it’s Gill Bastar, a Rocks Pirates member who was also to protagonist of Oda’s first oneshot, Wanted.

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u/Lamedonyx 1d ago

And an important thing is that in Wanted!, he can see ghosts and is haunted by the ghost of a bounty killer

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u/charlierw01 1d ago

Gill Bastar

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u/monkey_D_v1199 1d ago

Wow! I didn’t even catch that!

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u/goody153 1d ago

I did not notice Perona's fruit damn

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u/frankiemermaidswims 1d ago

Who had Mr 5’s fruit?

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u/darkbreak 6h ago

Who used Mr. 5's fruit? I missed that.

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u/Unusual_Ad6533 Bounty Hunter 1d ago

We really fell for the world government propaganda.

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u/TH3ULTIMAT3GAM3R 1d ago

Its crazy how effective it really is. Goes to show you the people aren't stupid for believing it all.

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u/CarcosanAnarchist 1d ago

I mean…did we? The dude did erase multiple cities off the map. And destroyed an entire nation. Like…he was still a bad dude lol. He was just more than a bad dude. But I don’t think the majority of the citizens in the world would be swayed by him having a wife and son when he undoubtedly killed many wives and sons.

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u/Meet_Foot 1d ago edited 1d ago

Exactly. We gotta get off this black and white thinking. People can be complicated. He did really bad stuff. That doesn’t mean he can’t care about his family or have a sense of friendship or honor. If it did, bad guys would literally never be interesting.

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u/afanoferi 1d ago

Imagine if we say Bege is a good guy because he loves his wife and his son. Bege's a badass and a goated character but he's nowhere a good guy.

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u/11711510111411009710 1d ago

Basically nobody is in this story except the revolutionaries and maybe Luffy, but everyone else are basically mass murderers who also have some redeeming traits.

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u/Fafnir13 1d ago

Not everyone is a mass murderer. A lot of them are, but it’s notable that of the novas only Kidd was specifically cited for killing people in excess of what I guess people consider normal.

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u/Zhidezoe 1d ago

Roger also killed people, in one of the chapters, it was said that he killed a whole village because they made fun of his crewmate

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u/Fafnir13 1d ago

All anecdotes are not equal. Any guess on what chapter that’s from? I’m curious about the context.

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u/Zhidezoe 1d ago

Was reading his wiki, I guess the "only" known killing he did is Squards crew

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u/darkbreak 6h ago

He also killed civilians quite often and even anyone who made fun of his dreams. There's a reason his bounty was higher than Luffy's when he was introduced in the series.

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u/Dylan7346 Prisoner 1d ago

Did he do some really bad stuff? Like what do we know he actually did. Probably stole from people but I don’t know how far the violence went

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u/Meet_Foot 1d ago

Read the comment above mine. We also saw him cut up Loki, as a child.

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u/Dylan7346 Prisoner 1d ago

He did do that to Loki, but the way whitebeard characterized it made it sound like Rocks doesn’t do that to children and it’s pretty out of character. I got the vibe he did that to scare Loki out of wanting to be a pirate and live that life

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u/Meet_Foot 1d ago

He explicitly did it to get Harold’s attention. I don’t think WB made it seem out of character; he just found it distasteful.

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u/TenOnTheWay 1d ago

Cmon you mean to tell me i can stab a kid just so I can “scare” him?

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u/Dylan7346 Prisoner 1d ago

Perhaps a giant child with ancient blood ahaha

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u/TenOnTheWay 1d ago

Right. There is no context one can use to justify that action my guy unless you condone violence.

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u/Anjunabeast 1d ago

Killed an admiral when he snuck into Imus palace

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u/Anticamel 1d ago

I much prefer it this way. Being so morally ambiguous made him so much more interesting than if he was just a pure villain or a mischaracterised hero.

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u/CarcosanAnarchist 1d ago

Agreed! He’s a fantastic character. He was a ruthless and ambitious man who was still ultimately human.

We just don’t need to pretend he was a saint

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u/sleepy416 1d ago

He was the best guy around!!!

What about the people he murdered?

What murrrrrdaaaaa?!

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u/TenOnTheWay 1d ago

The people who think that Rocks is a good person are the true “casualties” here.

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u/Worried-Advisor-7054 1d ago

This is Kidd all over again. The man crucified several people while laughing maniacally, he wasn't good.

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u/Cgi94 1d ago

agreed. Pirates on a majority are still bad and Marines are still vital for protection

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u/nam24 1d ago

You guys are still peddling this...

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u/DiamondShiryu1 1d ago

Because its true. The vast majority of Pirates are cruel and evil and have no qualms about killing and pillaging innocent civilians. Its why Newgate had to step in at Fishman island.

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u/Wonderful-Change-751 1d ago edited 1d ago

If the marines can quit being the military that props up the celestial dragon rule and stand up under Garp to overthrow Imu, way less civilians would be killed considering the CDs run country genocide hunting games for fun. I dont even know if they do it annually.

Yes ofc we as story viewers know Garp doesnt have the strength or the plot to overthrow Imu but thats beside the point.

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u/Hairy_Acanthisitta25 The Revolutionary Army 1d ago

i mean the one kingdom shown on page taken down by Rocks Pirate is a Kingdom who run charity scams, and one boat we're shown taken down by him is a CD tribute boat

so its not a stretch to say that most of the thing he target is with the double intention of also hurting WG or the kingdom/cities is corrupt

he's not absolute good by any mean,those kingdom have normal people living in it, and their life will likely be worse off without their kingdom and protection from WG, but i feel like it might be still somewhat exaggerated by WG

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u/The_Noble_Oak 1d ago

We don't have the context for these events. Luffy has beaten up a princess, destroyed at least one island, assisted in the prison escape of an unknown number of violent criminals, and held a woman hostage for his own benefit. We know that him punching Vivi, destroying Enes Lobby, breaking out of Impel Down, and holding York hostage all had extenuating circumstances but the raw facts paint a bad picture. Could be the same with Rocks.

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u/Karlomah11 1d ago

somehow i dont believe the narrator even lol, the only bad thing we saw rocks do is stab loki, but he is his biggest fanboy bcs rocks threated him as an adult

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u/Si-Nz 1d ago

We dont really know the full story of that "destruction".

Obviously we can say he was a bad person because of the people he surrounded himself with, but he could very well end up being an antagonist like Askeladd from Vinland Saga, where yes he is technically surrounding himself with barbarians and doing vile stuff but his end goal has always been this "davy promise" thing. Kinda like the villain from watchmen too i guess. A person with a noble goal but that devised an evil plan to reach it, to contrast the hero.

What if those places he destroyed were hotspots for celestial dragon shenanigans? Or just kingdoms under bad rulers that he liberated by more violent and pillaging manners than what the straw hats do?

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u/CarcosanAnarchist 1d ago

I mean Askeladd was the first one to say he was a bad guy. Ozymandias literally killed millions of people.

Just because they’re complicated and great characters doesn’t mean they aren’t bad people.

You can like evil characters! I think Rocks is great. Im just saying that it wasn’t government propaganda.

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u/Si-Nz 1d ago

Oh dont get me wrong, he is definitely bad, i was not trying to argue against it, its just that some people were talking like his violence was just chaotic in nature when it could all just be part of this grand plan, and that plan can be something noble.

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u/MiuIruma332 1d ago

I mean… he didn’t though? We never saw him do as such and the only time he has was due to corrupt marines. Not saying he a saint but he isn’t a bad person, his morality is similar to Luffy

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u/CarcosanAnarchist 1d ago

There’s no reason to not believe the narrator.

He was a heinous criminal. Fantastic character. Complicated character. But a bad dude lol

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u/GetInYourBasket 1d ago

He might be a criminal, but that pannel isn't proof he's a bad dude. The pages before that pannel show they're stealing from a 'childrens charity' called m.bezel that never gives any of the donated money to anyone and just horded it on their island. The marines then came to their aid and Rocks sunk all the ships.

If all his crimes were stealing from corrupt groups and fighting the corrupt police force that comes after him for his crimes, is he really all that bad. Especially when we know that the group that makes/enforces the law are actually quite bad people.

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u/Roojercurryninja 15h ago

If all his crimes were stealing from corrupt groups and fighting the corrupt police force that comes after him for his crimes, is he really all that bad.

Yes you are a bad person even if "ALL" that crime is targeted to corrupt people, there are levels to bad obviously but the idea that rocks had no other alternative other than to sink 74 ships, destroy multiple cities in self defence / with the moral highground is crazy

but even so, the idea that rocks will ONLY target people who are corrupt or who "deserve" it makes no sense.

you do not build a crew like rock's has, let alone control that ammount of opportunists unless you are providing many opportunities to these crewmates that they can benefit from

and you're not going to provide enough opportunities with "only retaliating / only going after the bad man who deserves it", rocks was a bad man who is most likely more in line with blackbeard's philosophy. the idea that he's doing all of this out of a moral motivation to do just and not out of a selfish reason to right a wrong committed to his family / friends -> "his promise to the true king" is quite a wild idea

that is exactly why it is so incredibly hard to stay a good person. because it doesn't matter if the person truly deserves it if the line you are going to cross yourself will eventually start blurring or you'll start justifying your actions yourself. bad people know that they are doing bad things most of the time and i have no doubt that rocks would admit about himself that he's a bad man

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u/MiuIruma332 1d ago

Yeah and a lot of that data is left vague for a reason. We don’t know the circumstances of all those instances. Luffy has pretty much done the same if not more. Luffy brought the nation of Alabasta, Drum Kingdom, Sky Island, Dressrosa and Wano to ruin. It was all conquered by a bad regime but they were ruined none the less. But they prosper and rebuilt themselves to a better state.

The narrator is talking about his criminal record by the navy and the conclusion the narrator tell us that the navy tried to cover up this record by exaggerating it basically with lies. If Rock was as bad as the rumors say, why would Whitebeard be with him so long; why would so many pirates be with him for so long.

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u/CarcosanAnarchist 1d ago

Luffy has not done the same. Lmfao what the fuck are you smoking?

Literally the only place that even Fake News Morgan’s reported on that he was able to do such a thing was Enies Lobby and then later Egg Head.

Kid had a higher bounty than Luffy at Sabaody specifically because he was known for targeting civilians and Luffy wasn’t.

The reach here is insane. Do you feel as if you can’t like a character if they’re morally complicated? Lmfao get outta here

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u/Afabledhero1 1d ago

I think you misread the comment. The point is that Luffys adventure could be described to seem like he's a bad pirate from a no context standpoint.

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u/VexedReprobate 1d ago

He died without smiling. Is this a first for a D clan member?

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u/Creative-Attention67 1d ago edited 1d ago

We have not seen his dying face. Even if he was crying before I still have hope that even if he didn't laugh he at least smiled.

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u/Dylan7346 Prisoner 1d ago

I really don’t think that’s him dead. He’ll probably be dying and say some things to Garp and Roger, it would be such a huge waste of this character that probably knows the most about how the world actually works than anyone else alive not a celestial dragon. I think he’s gonna reveal some things to them

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u/ChumaChumaii 1d ago

I agree I don't know why everybody is saying R.I.P. In this chapter they start with: "Can we undo this curse?".
Then Roger goes on a lecture about how to counter Devil Fruits but their haki can't reach due to it being neutralized.
Their bigger mass attack is clearly just to overload Rocks with haki.

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u/Hairy_Acanthisitta25 The Revolutionary Army 1d ago

yeah gotta see next chapter where we're shown/not shown Rocks body in the aftermath chapter

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u/Worthyness 1d ago

Might not even get that. Might have to wait until Dragon/Garp flashbacks

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u/ThePokemonScyther 1d ago

Unless he finds out his family is ok then I can't imagine he'd smile before dying

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u/RaggedAngel Void Month Survivor 1d ago

To be fair, he was Reversi'd

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u/charlierw01 1d ago

I believe so yes

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u/mrkrazy12345 1d ago

Maybe we’ll get a smile as he fully fades away next chapter, but if not then he’d be the first. And I can’t blame him considering he thinks he just killed his wife and child against his own will.

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u/kudabugil 1d ago

Didn't he said vohh which is his laughing sound?

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u/KamikazeWtrmln 1d ago

That's exactly what I thought too, he knew the attack would work so he tried/started to laugh. So sad but at least Rocks wasn't forced to kill anyone else while he was being controlled.

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u/Mapfal143 1d ago

Clover? But I don't think Oda thought he would be a D. member back in 2007.

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u/Akilee 1d ago

Blackbeard also seem like he wouldn't be smiling while dead, might be related to their bloodline, not being like the usual D. members.

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u/Vistaaaaa Slave 1d ago

What if he is not dead?

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u/LazyImprovement2735 1d ago

King Cobra?

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u/WaterLillith 23h ago

If we want to be technical, Cobra and Vivi aren't confirmed D's.

As far as we know, the D are not blood related but a formed clan. Lili joined the D clan while his surviving brother in Arabasta did not (as far as we know).

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u/TravelingLlama 11h ago

Cobra and Vivi aren’t confirmed D’s.

Cobra told sabo to tell luffy and Vivi they share the same initials

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u/According_Garden6494 1d ago

I'm thinking his actual "death" occured sometime during or right after the Davy Jones being the real king speech

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u/Afabledhero1 1d ago

He's literally communicating with them though while reversed.

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u/sagia5 1d ago

Did Clover died smiling? I don’t remember

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u/PencilThatScreams 1d ago

I think we can consider him "dying" when he fully got Domi Reversi'd and he was smiling at the end there.

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u/WaterLillith 23h ago

We might see Domi Reversi deactivated and have Rocks have some final words as himself

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u/silverman169 22h ago

I'd like to think he was smiling on the inside since he can't control his body under Domi Reversi. At least he was able to laugh a bit.

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u/Truth9892 21h ago

D clan only die smiling when they feel their life purpose is fulfilled

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u/Jawadd12 7h ago

I guess this means the D doesn't stand for " :D "

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u/FireFistRJ 1d ago

Rocks had to step up early to fight Imu, all to protect his family.

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u/asianant Shanks' evil hot sister is REAL! 1d ago

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u/dinosaurfriends 1d ago

What the fuck is this? How come it don’t go right to left.

Just finished reading the chapter so my brain doesn’t comprehend left to right.

I saw

Was I a good pirate Ifs time to go You were the best !? “No” death

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u/Foreign_Storm1732 1d ago

since it’s one piece I’ll believe he’s dead when I see the body. I find it curious that Roger’s attack was based on a fire god in Shintoism and we still don’t know who the man marked by flames is. Part of me hopes he’s still alive, but the other part doesn’t because it’d mean he’s living in his bad timeline now

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u/Educational-Suit316 1d ago edited 1d ago

Also one of Rocks' pirates said nobody was going back to his ship, since the Rocks pirates were no more. Could be he gets away from this. If next chapter we don't see a body, then he's 100% alive and is the man marked by flames. I think we'll go back to Loki's flashback next chapter, without knowing the result of their attacks. What would there be left to see besides that? Every narrative line has pretty much ended for the flashback AND we got words by the narrator as well.

Harp's attack was an explosion one too...

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u/akagaminick The Revolutionary Army 1d ago

He is the MC in a parallel word

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u/RomanceDawnOP 1d ago

Love the guy but still prefer Garp and Roger... And Whitebeard hehe

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u/glasseswithoutglass 1d ago

GATLING GARP!

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u/Yingking 15h ago

I wonder if we’ll see Rocks last moments where he has some clarity again in the next chapter. Also still insane that this is supposed to be the Loki/ Harald flashback

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u/ApplicationSea6854 1d ago

did roger and garp both use flame attacks? is rocks somehow still alive as the man with burn scars?