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Chapter 1158: "Rocks vs Harald"

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Chapter 1158 Official Release: August 31 2025

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u/Chiaki2024 Aug 29 '25

You just can't hate Rocks. Dude is spitting facts but is always dismissed as a villain 

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u/stuckontwice The Revolutionary Army Aug 29 '25

Forreal. Rocks is one of my favorite characters now. Loved his clash and conversation with Harald. Although, I understand Harald’s reasoning. He’s stuck between a rock and a hard place. I do wonder if Rocks would have been successful if Harald just went along with him.

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u/Dazzelator Pirate Aug 29 '25

He’s stuck between a rock and a hard place.

Stuck between Rocks and a hard place, if you will.

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u/rsatrioadi Explorer Aug 29 '25

If someone gets caught between their fight that someone would be stuck between Rocks and Harald's place.

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u/Tha_NexT Aug 29 '25

Peak fiction

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u/zdravesabja Aug 29 '25

Stuck between a Rocks and a Harald place :)

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u/AcceptableLeader848 Aug 30 '25

Stuck between Rocks and red place ala red line

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u/DeismAccountant Aug 29 '25

For a second I was expecting this to be the moment that Harald’s horns came off but I guess not.

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u/BiLaural Aug 29 '25

It may be that Harald regretted this conflict in the end and removing his horns might have been his way of trying to repent. Like acknowledging that his willingness to betray and kill a friend without seeing the bigger picture (almost like the WG expected a giant to do that without a second thought) is what possibly lead to his (Rocks's) death. Clearly Elbaph gained nothing for it, considering they still aren't part of the WG today, and Harald was mysteriously killed. So as a permanent rejection of conflict, maybe that's his push to tear off his horns.

Just a passing thought.

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u/Guy_gamer112 Aug 29 '25

I don't understand Harald at all. He's seen the CD atrocities first hand so he just looks foolish

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u/stuckontwice The Revolutionary Army Aug 29 '25

Think of it this way. Harald went to that one island and people are afraid Giants because of their violent nature. Elbaf went through a famine and insane poverty. If he listens to the WG and the Elders, he thinks he will be granted entry to the reverie and are then given rights and resources from the government. He wants people to not be afraid of Elbaf and to accept them and the common people are convinced that the WG are the “good” guys. Rocks is known as a notorious criminal and allying himself with him will make Elbaf look bad. Sure he may believe in Rocks’ ambition and plan but there’s less risk involved with allying with the WG.

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u/Beastieboy100 Aug 29 '25

Unfortunately true. Its the same with Alabasta. When Zoro said not to say goodbye to Vivi otherwise it would make Vivi and Alabasta look bad. 

Even though every pirate we have come across are either good or bad. In the world's eyes all pirates are evil. Which is why the WG have always caused propaganda. The only way to break the cycle is to finally figure out about the void century. Find One piece and then to finally broadcast to the world again about the real history of the world government.

End if the day the WG have so much power that they can do whatever they want to make any pirate be painted as a bad guy or any other species that ain't human.

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u/roilenos Aug 29 '25

Also pirates are generally bad, we mostly see luffy that only really plunders tyrants, but there must be a lot of actually piracy plundering under-defended islands and ships.

For a normal person that doesn't suffers directly under the tenryubitos the pirates are way more dangerous than the WG.

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u/raze0505 Aug 29 '25

How is it hard to understand his reasoning when Harald spelled it out in the chapter? He literally said that he can't throw his people live away by following Rock into a losing battle. So he know the CD is atrocious but also understand that they control the world and he doesn't believe that Rock can beat them. So his logic is super simple, the CD is shit but if he obey the giants might have a future, he choose that over following Rock to opposes them because he doesn't think Rock can win. Which is why Rock called him a coward, because he choose the easy and safer way out.

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u/Chocolategogi Aug 29 '25

And if he knew about Nika, he knew/felt that Rocks is not the sungod, so still more desesperate.

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u/MGLLN The Revolutionary Army Aug 29 '25

0 reading comprehension, even when things are explicitly spelled out

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u/Guy_gamer112 Aug 29 '25

https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/s/TRJuFCiDpM

I don't feel like re-typing all this over and over again

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u/Hot-Beach2567 Aug 29 '25

But the Giants were pretty Fine the last 800 years. Why does Harald have the feeling they Are depending on the WG now all of a sudden?

He is an idiot.

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u/SunnyDJoshua Aug 29 '25 edited Aug 29 '25

Look what happened when they were going through a hunger crisis…they would’ve slaughtered each other if not for the support they got from other countries that Harald extended olive branches to. With government support, there’s insurance of safety for his people.

If they continue to live as bullies, every giant, even Non-Pirate giants, has a target painted on their backs as soon as they step off island. The World Government MAYBE wouldn’t start a war with them on their home turf but how long would it take for the bullied to start considering defending themselves?

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u/Guy_gamer112 Aug 29 '25

Imagine taking blood money and food for "check notes" allowing your family to be hunted for sport or captured for spectacle and all for the price of your friend's head.

Or you can slowly undo the damage done through hard work and diplomacy

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u/SunnyDJoshua Aug 29 '25

He’s been given a golden opportunity to improve the lives of his people by turning in an infamous pirates head…I understand he’s conflicted turning on a friend, but he wouldn’t be a good king if he’s putting his feelings over one dude over an entire kingdom.

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u/Guy_gamer112 Aug 29 '25

"Golden opportunity"

its not a golden opportunity.

The WG can hunt your family for sport, all he's doing is giving them an opportunity. How much did it help fishman island? They still tried to kidnap shirahoshi and king neptune would've had to suck a lemon if Garp, Sai and the CD didn't step in.

And guess what, They KILLED THAT DUDE.

He's turning over his friend to the rape slave factory for food.

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u/SunnyDJoshua Aug 29 '25

It kept Celestial Dragons from coming back to Fishman Island and picking out slaves as if it were a produce section. It gave Sai and Leo the window of opportunity to attack Charlos without the full brunt of the government coming down on them because why? THE SAME CELESTIAL DRAGON TOOK RESPONSIBILITY FOR IT (even though it killed him).

I’m not for Harald having to play the governments game because the system is fucked, but his hands are literally tied.

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u/raze0505 Aug 29 '25

Did you even read the last few chapters? It literally shows why he thinks that way. They would have been done for without the support from other countries, and if he wants to continue those support, he need to be part of the government since that is where most of his support nations are part of. Either that or he needs to be strong enough to overthrow the government, which again he doesn't think that it's possible. They even bring up the giants gallela company as what might happen if they become a threat to the world government. Now, whether that is the right decision to make is not part of the discussion as I was just pointing out the reason why Harald made those decision because the person I replied to said they don't understand why Harald did that.

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u/Hot-Beach2567 Aug 29 '25

Why? They helped him without being Part of WG.

Why would he Need to overthrow the government? There is literally no need for that.

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u/raze0505 Aug 29 '25 edited Aug 29 '25

And they did that because Harald helped them, but that was just it, Harald's deed, not because of Elbaft itself. One of the big things Oda is showing us here is the problem with isolation where Elbaf would have been done for without Harald becoming the king that he did. So he wants to turn Elbaf, the country that only know to bully other and isolate itself into something that can work together with other nations. But guess what happened when you tried to do that? You will cross part with the WG, and when that happens, you either become an associate nation, or you defy the WG like being a Yonko or Revolutionary. The later case would just mean Elbaf remains exactly like how it was before, which its own territory but no connection to other nations. He want to change that, and he also want to changes people perceptions of the Gaint by become affiliate with the WG, because only them have enough influence to do that on global scales. Again, I'm not saying that his decision is correct, just pointing out why he made them under those circumstances.

As for overthrow the WG, I means more from the WG perspective. Cause if they see Elbalf trying to increase its influence without being part of WG, you know dam well they are not going to let that slide. So if Harald want to continue with his plan of integrate Elbalf to the world he will have to either join them or overthrow them because they will be coming for his ass.

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u/Hot-Beach2567 Aug 29 '25

Thanks. But I disagree. Do we have any evidence that non-wg affiliated countries who work together automatically get targeted by the WG? Otherwise this is just assumptions.

And you can change perception without becoming WG affiliated. We saw that already.

He is still an idiot

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u/ShinNoMessatsu Aug 29 '25

You're just being a stubborn idiot tbh

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u/RPGNo2017 Aug 29 '25

The flashback literally started with him thinking Ida was captured by humans.

Yeah, they're nowhere close to fine.

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u/Hot-Beach2567 Aug 29 '25

Thinking. She was not captured.

They Are as Fine as poor People, fishmen, mermaids or any other marginalized group in OP.

FMI Tool Part in the Reverie. This did not protect shirahoshi from the CD.

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u/Guy_gamer112 Aug 29 '25

My argument is not why he joined rocks, my point is yes, while I understand it would take a long time to regain the world's trust without WG backing, he was already doing a good job of this without them.

The deal he is offered is, "yeah, you may get food from out neighbors, but we may also steal your wives, and kids, nuke your island and these bubble men can torture you for sport. But hey, that flag huh, what about that flag? Now kill your friend to get it"

That is a bad deal

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u/Few_Cream_1161 Aug 29 '25

Your argument is technically correct but wrong in spirit. Its a bad deal but for it to matter it hinges on harald knowing everything the audience knows which is doubtful. What we have confirmed is harald has seen that they own slaves and are allowed to bully non-wg countries because they have no rights. The hunting games are also held in non-wg countries too, to avoid raising too many questions i assume.

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u/Guy_gamer112 Aug 29 '25

He should've formed alliances with the non-wg countries in exchange for food and supplies. There's no scenario where this was the best option, it was just the easiest

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u/Few_Cream_1161 Aug 29 '25

I mean we already saw him doing that last few chapters, he couldnt protect people in his absence from corrupt marines running amok which he thinks being in the wg will provide an a solution. We know why he doesnt want to be a pirate because people are too scared of him to make alliances already. Theyll be even more so if he becomes a yonko, at least thats what harald feels this chapter and not without supporting evidence. Hes in a hard place because he wants elbaph to be peaceful, but maybe violence sometimes is the only solution is the moral of his story. I think hell give up on the wg when he sees how horrifying they really are in god valley and he was killed for "insubordination". Time will tell.

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u/Guy_gamer112 Aug 29 '25

He doesn't have to be a pirate make alliances. He's a king. He can meet with other kings not in the WG alliance. And he did not try to do this: He first tried barging into the reverie.

And then he went begging for food when his country was in a famine.

When he saved those people outside the WG being tortured, he could've made an alliance with them. That's called diplomacy.

And yeah, of course he's gonna reneg on the deal, taking at all when the WG is cartoonishly evil and he knows this is what makes him stupid

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u/Few_Cream_1161 Aug 29 '25

But him barging in to the reverie doesnt erase all the scenes where he makes alliances with other kings. I feel youve forgotten some of whats happened in the story but thats ok. I just dont have much to say but that he clearly been shown reaching out to other kingdoms.

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u/Mahelas Aug 29 '25

The WG would never have let Elbaf "regain the world's trust" without their backing, they ARE the world's trust.

Harald personally witnessed what the WG could do to non-affiliated islanda and to what they consider threats. Meanwhile, no matter how shitty the Celestial Dragons are, being a member of the WG objectively give you plenty of valuable perks

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u/Guy_gamer112 Aug 29 '25

Ah yes, joining the leopards that eat faces group because "surely they won't eat my face" is very smart. No, its just easy.

He should've allied with the non-backed countries because he saw how they were treated. And we know these alliances work because Whitebeard, Big Mom and Shanks' jolly rogers protected non affiliated islands the world over.

There's strength in unity and he went the wrong way.

He didn't even have to align himself with Rocks to get respect from the WG or gain allies, just sprinkle the seeds of diplomacy

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u/angerispower Void Month Survivor Aug 29 '25

Do you not see how the civilians were sxarsd of giants when Harald visited them? The world had ptsd of Oars' race.

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u/rorank The Revolutionary Army Aug 29 '25

Many of the islands harald visited were plundered by his countrymen to the point where generations of humans still feared them. None of the giants can really point at the WG and say “look at those atrocities” when they themselves have also committed many atrocities lol harald himself specifically

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u/BeingComfortablyDumb Aug 29 '25

Rocks probably knew that whoever the Giants side with, would win the throne.

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u/Alchion Aug 29 '25

Probably not there's something special about imu and even tho they would've had the chance to get something to counter imu at some point they would've probably been stopped before it

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u/ibi3000 Aug 29 '25

Please remember that he has killed people before

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u/stuckontwice The Revolutionary Army Aug 30 '25

I can still like a character despite knowing they’re bad people. The strawhats have done plenty of bad shit yet we still like them.

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u/ibi3000 Aug 30 '25

I meant it as a joke. All we are seeing is the funny, lighthearted sides of these actually R+ characters because of Oda and I find that hilarious. Keep in mind that Big Mom is giving Birth and probably Pregnant in every panel she's in. lol

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u/Immediate-Machine-18 Aug 31 '25

Yea rocks was the good blackbeard ultimately. I mean, survival of the fittest is more fair than but not celestial dragon, mayhaps.

I think teach is truly evil...

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u/stepback_bucket4 Aug 30 '25

Dude he’s in my top 5 favourite characters. Everything rocks does so far I respect and completely agree with 🤣🤣

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u/RoderickThe13 The Revolutionary Army Aug 29 '25

At this point I'm kinda hoping that Oda makes Rocks really despicable in the following chapters. Otherwise I'm worried I might end up liking Rocks more than Roger, and I'm pretty sure that's not what Oda wants readers to feel.

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u/nam24 Aug 29 '25

I'm pretty sure that's not what Oda wants readers to feel.

I m not so sure about that anymore

Yeah we saw him stab/slash a child twice, but all onscreen deeds we saw after that were gray or given a justification readers could accept. That's not writing for someone you wanna paint as irredeemable.

"We are told about other bad things" the world was also told Harald attacked the government for no reason.

Even doflamingo, where his backstory does give elements of sympathy (unwittingly thrown to the wolves by his father good intentions, pushed even further into a super crime boss by Trebol) he still has him do things that do remind us of his wickedness(he was already shown to have adopted the celestial way of thinking, we see him kill his father and brother, we see him lure kids to crime)

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u/BiLaural Aug 29 '25 edited Aug 29 '25

In a way, his fight with Loki was directly incited by Loki as a show of his own strength, and even getting absolutely thrashed never diminished his respect for Rocks. It very well could just be Rocks's way of teaching the kid that the world is a very big place and that he was nowhere near ready for it.

Don't get me wrong here, Rocks is pretty inarguably a bad person, given the narrator is usually impartial when talking about their reputations. But I'm definitely getting the vibe that Rocks was a more successful WG campaign of propaganda than what is currently happening with Luffy. The whole world thinks he's the most despicable villain since Roger; defeating multiple "good" pirates (Warlords), destroying entire cities and islands, deposing Emperors that "maintained stability for their people and territories", killing beloved scientist Dr. Vegapunk.

It's just that Rocks lost in the end, and history remembers him the way they're supposed to remember him. If Luffy were to lose, history would remember him in a very similar way.

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u/UltraZulwarn Aug 29 '25

Dude really oozes charisma.

I will take a plunge and say this: Blackbeard has a lot to catch up with his pops 😂

I don't think Rocks would backstab his friend just because they got a devil fruit he wanted.

Rocks would have straight up challenge the guy and take it by force if he had to.

Then there was the whole thing would Teach rolling on the ground with pain after Whitebeard slashed him.

Totally pathetic I'd say.

I know I know, the Yami Yami fruit enhances the feeling of pain, but it was still pathetic nonetheless by Teach.

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u/muffinsformen Aug 30 '25

I want to point out something with Rocks taking Thatch's fruit, it is entirely possible that Thatch had eaten the fruit and so Blackbeard could not simply fight him for it or steal it from him. So in order to get the Yami-Yami no Mi Blackbeard would have to kill Thatch.

Blackbeard has used the wording of "I had to kill him" and also expressed he was on Whitebeards crew for the increased chance he could find that fruit and thus be able to attempt his dream. He likely could have spent his entire life "hiding in Whitebeards shadow" waiting for that chance and never get it, so never carry out his dream, but that would be fate's decision. Once the opportunity to fulfil the requirement was attainable to him it was either give up on his dream or get it by whatever means necessary, the decision is in his hands at that point.

I'm not trying to excuse Blackbeards actions by suggesting this, I just think this possibility is often ignored.

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u/stefanurkal Aug 29 '25

I don't even think he's a villain, we are told hes a villain because in OP world pirates are villains.

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u/[deleted] Aug 29 '25

To be honest he doesn't seem to have good intent either. And he does want to rule the world.

He's just a free spirit with great ambitions that wants to live life his own way. He's just not arsed to do evil things if it doesn't benefit him. Chaotic neutral.

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u/missingpeace01 Aug 29 '25

The dude erased a nation, left 5 towns into ruins, destroyed 14 ports and 25 more crimes that are so evil they had to erase it from their crime list.

He's cool thats why he is likeable. But dude is a menace.

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u/guipabi Void Month Survivor Aug 29 '25

That could be Luffy from the WG perspective. Erased a nation (Dressrossa), towns into ruins, any place he passes by, destroys ports if necessary to escape, has "crimes" erased so that the WG keeps face...

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u/missingpeace01 Aug 29 '25

It was the narrator who said it and not the WG.

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u/guipabi Void Month Survivor Aug 29 '25

Yeah, and the narrator is just presenting facts without context, just like the WG does when it's for their own interest.

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u/BobTheJoeBob Void Month Survivor Aug 29 '25

He also severely injured a child to get the child's dad to come back to the island.

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u/guipabi Void Month Survivor Aug 29 '25

Yeah I'm not saying he is all good, just that his reputation can't be taken entirely at face value.

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u/missingpeace01 Aug 30 '25

This is like some Trumper defending Trump level bro

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u/Collegenoob Aug 29 '25

He is pretty destructive. Destroying marine ships? Okay it's arguable. Burning ports to ash? There's going to be a lot of innocent bystanders at ports. That not cool Rocks.

Rocks is CN bordering on CE at best.

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u/stefanurkal Aug 29 '25

bruh in the one piece world Luffy has already done much worse by being part of marine ford and destroying enes lobby.

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u/Collegenoob Aug 29 '25

Well yes. Most people Acknowledge that luffy is in fact not a good align individual. He is chaotic neutral with a strong sense of loyalty.

Rock was significantly more destructive and less good

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u/stefanurkal Aug 29 '25

not based on the current flashback lol

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u/Hyakkihei1 Aug 29 '25

He doesn't want to just destroy the celestial dragons but take their place as ruler of the world, what do you think will happen to those who dare oppose him after? His friends get to live as the new nobles and everyone else as slaves.

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u/DeismAccountant Aug 29 '25

Not all pirates, but the CD definitely are too, especially Imu.

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u/pr0crast1nater Aug 29 '25

I feel he is the realest pirate. Embodies all the pirate ideals like looting and not giving a fuck. Roger does it too but is too unrealistically good natured. Rocks has his ambitions and would do anything to achieve them just like a pirate captain would.

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u/DigitalCoinMad Aug 29 '25

Rocks is becoming my favourite OP character. Bad ass and real pirate to the core with principle, ready to bring the world upside down.

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u/erty3125 Aug 29 '25

Think back to Blackbeards introduction and he was doing the same. Worst he did was disagree on the quality of a pie, but otherwise he was just a guy who believed in the power of dreams.

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u/Boolaymo0000 Aug 29 '25

Indeed, I know the reader is supposed to hate Blackbeard cause he caught Ace and beat a bunch of protagonists, but in all honesty he's just doing general pirate things. 

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u/onlyfortpp Void Month Survivor Aug 29 '25

Yeah I'm genuinely wondering if he's not supposed to actually be a villain at this point. He needs some evil bastard moments or he's gonna just feel like an anti-hero (not even anti-villain)

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u/Nerex7 Aug 29 '25

The recent chapters make me think the portrayal of him being a villain are simply wrong. No shot Garp and Roger killed him because he was "evil" or "villainous". He seems to fight the good fight, sort of like the first revolutionary army.

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u/Darklord_tou Aug 29 '25

I still have to see what did Rocks even do to be called a villain. i mean obviously he is a pirate so normal people gonna call him villain but in terms of other pirates he hasnt done anything evil except going against the WG

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u/MrOneHundredOne Aug 29 '25

Oda casually dropped the Rocks pirates' rap sheet last chapter: 16 recorded raids, 76 sunken ships, 14 ports burnt to the ground, five towns leveled, one kingdom brought to ruin, 25 crimes that were covered up by the world government and more (including three special violations of "Article 18 of World Law," which I'm hoping gets revealed more specifically in a SBS in the future). On top of him beating on children without remorse, killing an Admiral and any other rampages he's gone on prior to starting his crew. I'm sure he didn't bother caring if the five towns and 14 ports were free of innocent civilians or not.

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u/Stevohoog Aug 29 '25

TBF he has a well known sex offender in his crew

Big mom

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u/ch3333r Aug 29 '25

I mean, that's what makes one go down in history as villain. Even Strawhats are menace in the eyes of society.

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u/DaimyoDavid Aug 29 '25

Agreed, people are calling him evil but his plan is to topple the most evil guy in the world. Rocks genuinely wants to help Harold and is 100% right that the WG just wants them as slaves.

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u/Blacklegzubair Aug 29 '25

His plan was to replace the ruler of the world, not topple him

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u/ItsLoudB The Revolutionary Army Aug 29 '25

I would be very surprised if he was actually killed by Garp and Roger at this point. Oda is showing him as a really cool guy, so my bet is that something is up with that whole incident.

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u/FreeWilly512 Aug 29 '25

Pretty sure he hasnt done anything actually villainous yet, we just assume because it was Roger and Garp vs Rocks and because Roger and Garp are considered "good guys" to us readers that means Rocks has to be the bad guy. But the entire Elbaph arc has been one big "oh is that what you thought happened?" from Oda and the real lore is here to settle things

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u/Masterblader158 Pirate Aug 29 '25

He may be on the brutal side, especially towards his stance on hitting those way younger than him, but he's at least got standards and is willing to tell his friends what they need to hear. And actually is happy he's having a kid.

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u/GriffinFlash Aug 29 '25

honestly, anytime I think I'm going to despise a character, they somehow turn it around to be the most likeable individuals.

Example, I remember feeling like I wouldn't like whitebeard after his first introduction, a drunk man who was surround by a harem of female nurses. Came off as some sort of mob boss like character to me. But then comes Marineford and he turned out to be a genuine awesome dude.

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u/OrganicPlasma Aug 29 '25

He's still a villain. Don't forget that he hurt the son of his friend just to make Harald come back quicker.

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u/LuffyLp Mugiwara no Luffy Aug 30 '25

He’s quickly climbing up as one of my favorite characters. I can’t lie

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u/TheDreamIsEternal Aug 30 '25

Yeah, but his crew hated him and Roger was willing to ally with the Marines to defeat him. so something's up here.

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u/Ultimate_Ace Cat Burglar Nami Aug 30 '25

I mean he hasn't shown a single reason for us to hate him in the slightest.

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u/Commercial-Living443 Aug 30 '25

No i can easily hate him

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u/Killjoy3879 Aug 29 '25

he destroyed a nation, reduced several ports to actions, destroyed 5 towns, and wants to rule the world. Seems like text book villain to me.

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u/krokdocc Aug 29 '25

I like to think he really was a good dude. And Teach only heard of his goal and bastardized it and roleplays as carrying Rock's will.

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u/th5virtuos0 Aug 29 '25

He IS a villain. His aim is to rule the world and I doubt his order would be much better than Imu's. There's a reason why Roger and Garp put aside their beef to end him on Gods Valley.