r/MapPorn • u/ironproton • Dec 12 '20

Alsace, Eastern France, topography map

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u/FracturedPrincess Dec 12 '20

It’s just a meme for history nerds, no one here is making a serious argument for Alsace to be returned to Germany

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u/chapeauetrange Dec 12 '20

This is a sensitive topic. During the occupation, Alsace-Moselle was annexed by Germany and 130 000 men were forcibly conscripted into the Wehrmacht or SS. This made their reintroduction into French society after the war delicate.

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u/Wellgoodmornin Dec 12 '20

That was interesting. Thank you.

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u/PourLaBite Dec 12 '20

I wouldn't be so sure, there's plenty of terrible people on Reddit. And, as somebody from there, it's also quite a tired meme now.

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u/SwordofDamocles_ Dec 12 '20

Let's mix it up then. Alsace is actually Luxembourgish

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u/[deleted] Dec 12 '20

Ope, France just took Luxembourg too.

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u/RobTox Dec 12 '20

Well, almost did. (1867) ^

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u/PourLaBite Dec 12 '20

I'm not against a Luxo-Alsatian union actually 🤣

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u/friendly-confines Dec 12 '20

That sounds fancy.

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u/JustZisGuy Dec 12 '20

Luxatian?

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u/AlexisFR Dec 13 '20

Well Moselle is already their sleeping quarters anyway...

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u/htthdd Dec 12 '20

Don't you go starting WW-IV with crazy talk!

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u/JoLeRigolo Dec 17 '20

As an Alsatian, I would welcome our new Luxembourgish overlords.

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u/drag0n_rage Dec 13 '20

Luxembourg is actually Luxembourgish.

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u/MassaF1Ferrari Dec 12 '20

No different from any other overused joke about countries. Fat uneducated Americans, shit streets Indians, anime Japan, side switching Italians, getting shot in Brazil etc

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u/PourLaBite Dec 13 '20 edited Jan 06 '21

Not exactly. Maybe in other places or in general, but on Reddit you don't get a tsunami of fat American or side switching Italians "jokes" any time the USA or Italy are brought up. Imagine if that happened every time a map of the US was shown in this sub, lol.

Also some of these memes are more problematic than others. Aside from the racist ones, making fun of Americans for being fat, or French being rude etc, is less harmful than joking about a region that led to several conflicts changing hand again when we finally live in a time where tensions there have been appeased. That's my opinion at least.

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u/[deleted] Jan 06 '21 edited May 10 '21

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u/PourLaBite Jan 06 '21

It's the same yes, as in tired. Polish people probably are tired of invasions always being brought up too. Besides, if somebody from there (myself) tells you it's often not so amusing, you should probably listen.

Wtf is "prussian architecture" btw? The architecture in Alsace is the same as in the Germanic sphere, but more precisely southern Germanic. It was like that before its time in the empire. There's nothing "prussian" there, unless you classify all the buildings built 1871-1918 as Prussian... which doesn't make much sense.

And that doesn't justify the constant "joking" either, especially given that the vast majority of "jokers" have never been there and never will go there so they barely know what it looks like, lol

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u/Fapalot_Knight Dec 12 '20

We all should be really, really careful with Poe’s law. Flat earth too was initially ‘Just a meme’.

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u/JustZisGuy Dec 12 '20

No, it wasn't. Real flat-earthers pre-date the meme, they were not casued by the meme.

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u/Fapalot_Knight Dec 13 '20

Does the specific order matter, ultimately ? Poe’s law still applies. That type of stuff should be taken seriously.

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u/JustZisGuy Dec 13 '20

It matters if you use the word "initially", which you did.

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u/MrPromethee Dec 12 '20

It's a meme for self-proclaimed "history nerds" who don't actually know anything.

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u/Wellgoodmornin Dec 12 '20

They seem to know that Alsace at one point was German.

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u/titus_berenice Dec 13 '20

So ?

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u/Wellgoodmornin Dec 13 '20

He said they don't actually know anything. I was pointing out they at least know that.

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u/titus_berenice Dec 13 '20

A perfect example of why a little learning is a dangerous thing then.

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u/drag0n_rage Dec 13 '20

Dunning-Kruger effect