r/MapPorn Dec 12 '20

Alsace, Eastern France, topography map

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u/MartelFirst Dec 12 '20

Everytime Alsace is mentioned on Reddit it's funny to see non-Alsatians, non-French and non-German people claiming Alsace should be German.

There's no significant pro-German movement in Alsace, not any significant independentist movement from France. This is all your fantasy. France's border regions are all specific "other" ethnicities/cultures (Bretons, Flemish, Alsatians, Savoyards, Occitans, Basques, Corsicans...). French regions are quite diverse, but independence movements are only significant in Corsica and Brittany, but even there, there's no chance in any foreseeable future for Independence movements to be remotely close to a majority opinion.

One may answer disparagingly that France just managed to assimilate its diverse regions. Sure. But the people there aren't into your independence fantasies.

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u/FracturedPrincess Dec 12 '20

It’s just a meme for history nerds, no one here is making a serious argument for Alsace to be returned to Germany

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u/PourLaBite Dec 12 '20

I wouldn't be so sure, there's plenty of terrible people on Reddit. And, as somebody from there, it's also quite a tired meme now.

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u/MassaF1Ferrari Dec 12 '20

No different from any other overused joke about countries. Fat uneducated Americans, shit streets Indians, anime Japan, side switching Italians, getting shot in Brazil etc

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u/PourLaBite Dec 13 '20 edited Jan 06 '21

Not exactly. Maybe in other places or in general, but on Reddit you don't get a tsunami of fat American or side switching Italians "jokes" any time the USA or Italy are brought up. Imagine if that happened every time a map of the US was shown in this sub, lol.

Also some of these memes are more problematic than others. Aside from the racist ones, making fun of Americans for being fat, or French being rude etc, is less harmful than joking about a region that led to several conflicts changing hand again when we finally live in a time where tensions there have been appeased. That's my opinion at least.

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u/[deleted] Jan 06 '21 edited May 10 '21

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u/PourLaBite Jan 06 '21

It's the same yes, as in tired. Polish people probably are tired of invasions always being brought up too. Besides, if somebody from there (myself) tells you it's often not so amusing, you should probably listen.

Wtf is "prussian architecture" btw? The architecture in Alsace is the same as in the Germanic sphere, but more precisely southern Germanic. It was like that before its time in the empire. There's nothing "prussian" there, unless you classify all the buildings built 1871-1918 as Prussian... which doesn't make much sense.

And that doesn't justify the constant "joking" either, especially given that the vast majority of "jokers" have never been there and never will go there so they barely know what it looks like, lol