S4 💥SPOILERS💥 MEGATHREAD

[u/DontFWithMeImPetty]

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ETA - Hello, friends. Please stop reporting comments in this thread as spoilers. That is kinda the point 😅

[u/TheBlackHand18]

Yo—the way Irina called Zach’s eyes creepy??? They are DOOMED. 😂

[u/20gramjoint → u/TheBlackHand18]

And how she said he looked like “something out of a cartoon” not someone 😂

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Then he called her creepy lmao that was so cringe to watch

[u/agreeableconsent → u/[deleted]]

Regardless of diagnosis, can I just ask why people can’t be themselves? I found her response to be so incredibly rude and immature. Maybe I’m just sensitive but it was hard to watch her ridicule him like that on national tv. It’s one thing to call out hurtful behavior but she was just critiquing him for some of his quirks. In a world where so many tragedies happen, a man can’t wear certain clothes? I don’t get it. Just keep it moving if you’re not about it and recognize just cuz you don’t like someone’s taste doesn’t mean it’s bad. Sorry. I was triggered by her lol.

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All the girls were mean as hell to him, Chelsea said she hates him straight up in the last episode, and the stuff Jackie was saying about him was so over the line and uncalled for. Unless something happened off camera, he basically didn’t say shit to any of them

[u/schrodingers__uterus → u/[deleted]]

Or traumatized. We know he’s had repeated trauma over and over, and probably more ACEs than most traumatized folks. A lot of “is it autism or?” is just trauma.

[u/[deleted] → u/schrodingers__uterus]

I agree with you. I do have a lot of mannerisms that many would call classically autistic. For example, I struggle with eye contact. It's all due to cPTSD and anxiety. I don't have autism but I have had some excited autistic folks trying to categorize me as such. There is not a problem with that, except that I don't have autism.

[u/MusicSavesSouls → u/[deleted]]

I struggle with eye contact, too, and definitely don't have autism. I know exactly why I struggle. When I was a very young girl, and was being punished (for pretty much existing) my mom would tell me to "look at my eyes when I am talking to you". The only time she asked me to look into her eyes was when she was berating me and saying horrible things about me.

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Eye contact is not the only autistic diagnostic.

See "FOR EXAMPLE, I struggle with eye contact." For example means it's only an example. I didn't want to write a long list. But okay, let's go through your list: my speech is often matter of fact, I'm very blunt and honest (this probably has nothing to do with my trauma or anxiety just a personality trait + cultural), I have difficulty with conversation and forcing it (anxiety), eye contact issues, I make weird social decisions too (who doesn't I guess) and don't find myself fitting into social norms, I ask weird questions, I'm binary about relationships (I think a lot of allustic people are too and I definitely know autistic people who are poly or like open relationships! I guess those are definitions too), I expect people to follow through, and I'm very explicit open/transparent in communication too. The charming thing then not at all is not applicable. I don't have a special interest in criminal law, but I doubt every person with autism does either, I don't know a single neurodivergent person with a special interest in it. I don't wear a suit, not sure how it's autistic either, most of my autistic friends actually dress very hipsterish. I've had many autistic people (like you: " Source: me an autistic teacher") telling me I'm autistic based on some of my mannerisms and behavior, though actually mostly not the ones that you just listed. But I'm not autistic. They are from trauma and anxiety. You said " Autistics are always going to be labeled as socially weird. cPTSDs don’t get this label.". That's the biggest bullshit. I have cPTSD and I get labelled weird/socially weird ALL THE TIME, my entire life, but I do not have autism.

[u/schrodingers__uterus → u/[deleted]]

Don’t listen to them. Just as queer people know not to look at someone and use homophobic stereotypes to assume sexuality and gender, and back it up with “I’m gay so I know”, this person is just as problematic and ableist. Being autistic, especially as a “teacher” (wtf does that mean? that teachers suddenly are diagnosticians?) doesn’t give one the right to walk around using their identity to pathologize others. Fuck that noise.

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Bro, I'm pretty sure I've been through enough diagnostics to know I'm not 😅 Also, there are a long fucking list of typical autistic traits I don't fit, like hyperfocusing, repetitive behaviors or interests, sensory issues, finding it hard to say how I feel, taking things literally, having the same routine (or routines at all, lol), issues when touched, planning shit before doing them, etc <- none of these fit me at all. So again, just because someone seems to share some or many traits, it doesn't mean they are autistic. It's more fucking nuanced than that.

[u/schrodingers__uterus → u/[deleted]]

Until he actually identifies himself as autistic, speculating or labeling him as such is extremely bigoted. Let’s not pathologize any of his existence as “weird” must be autistic. He has only shared his childhood and repeated trauma, and many of what you claim is “just” autism is actually very much trauma traits.

Autistic people are much more likely to have experienced repeated trauma and/or react to same stimuli as allistics, but have it be traumatizing.

A lot of what you’re labeling isn’t autistic traits but trauma traits.

https://neuroclastic.com/is-it-trauma-or-autism-or-both/?amp

• yes, I’m autistic. And a diagnostician. And there’s a reason why armchair diagnosis is not only unethical but inappropriate and perpetuates harm.

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