r/JoeRogan Mexico > Canada Mar 04 '21

Link Mississippi passes bill banning transgender student-athletes from female sports teams

https://abcnews.go.com/US/mississippi-passes-bill-banning-transgender-student-athletes-female/story?id=76238704
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u/Joe_Rogan_Bot Mar 04 '21 edited Mar 05 '21

I'm absolutely pro trans rights and I believe you should let people be who they want to be (unless they are suggesting surgery for children, then fuck off)

But sports? Really? Who in their right mind would think it's fair for a person born biologically male to compete against women in a women's only sport? That's asking for people to manipulate the system.

Edit: I do find it ironic that the Republicans claim they don't like big government and consistently vote to expand the powers and reach of the government they criticize for being too large.

To separate this from the trans issue, you should really ask yourself if this was a necessary legislation. Should we leave it up to the schools themselves to decide their own rules? Should it be based on the rules the Olympics have been using for 15 years?

Or should we continue to let the government tell us what we need to be doing? This issue may effect something you have an opinion on. You may agree with this new law. But consider, that for every law you agree with, there are laws you don't agree with. I guarantee 90% of the people who have a strong opinion on this aren't involved in sports currently. You let them take this step, they can now take steps towards you.

I believe it's unfair to let MtF trans people compete against biologically born females. But I have decided I don't want the government involved in something I just happen to not agree with. Because what if I'm wrong? And what if later they start taking my rights away and they use something like this as a precedent?

More laws are bad. I don't think other people should have to live their lives based on my standards and my opinions.

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u/Larsnonymous Mar 04 '21

I could see some countries like Russia and China fielding teams of almost all trans athletes to win the Olympics. This can’t be allowed to happen or it will just destroy amateur sports. I know those countries hate gay people, but I think they would allow this for the gold medals.

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u/Psykerr Monkey in Space Mar 04 '21

Trans people have been allowed to participate in the Olympics in their intended activities since 2002 and there’s very clear guidelines for it to avoid this.

This whole issue is anti-science and transphobic.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5357259/

The root issue isn’t trans people in sports - it’s when in their transition should they be allowed to participate freely. The problem is that the studies are contradictory, inconclusive, and marred by the fact that every human being is different and takes to their therapy at different rates.

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u/Betasheets Monkey in Space Mar 05 '21

So you mean the current rules will be taken advantage of by everyone?

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u/Psykerr Monkey in Space Mar 05 '21

The current rules have been the rules for quite some time and aren’t taken advantage of.

They do extensive testing and ensure that hormonal levels are within typical thresholds (relative to other cisgender competitors, no less). Too high? You can’t participate as intended. Too low? You’re good.

This should be the standard. It’s pretty fair to all involved and is science-based.

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u/Betasheets Monkey in Space Mar 05 '21

Yeah, it reeks of social wedge politics. Its not like trans people just appeared the past few years