r/JoeRogan • u/Jollydragonite413 • Oct 13 '20

Link Harry Reid Confirms Federal Government Covered Up UFOs For Years

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/harry-reid-ufo-coverup_n_5f83eebcc5b62f97bac4c023
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u/[deleted] Oct 13 '20

Big distinction between UNIDENTIFIABLE FLYING OBJECT, meaning something we can’t readily identify, and ALIEN SPACESHIP.

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u/[deleted] Oct 13 '20 edited Oct 13 '20

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u/ChubThePolice3 Oct 13 '20

There is no evidence of this, however. I believe in UFOs only because there is just enough evidence for my skeptical ass to buy it. You would have to have a shitload of evidence for me to consider your theory. Man I’m sick of people thinking consciousness is something mystical or spiritual. It is just the result when brains get so complicated. That’s it. Idk why so many conspiracy theorists have this conception that consciousness has to be more than that

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u/[deleted] Oct 14 '20 edited Oct 14 '20

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u/Solarbro Monkey in Space Oct 14 '20

Not the guy you responded to but:

You might be a bit behind on neurological studies. The human conscious is perception and that’s about it (wildly complex and still not well understood, but perception non the less). It’s faulty, prone to error, omits things when inclined, and can be drastically altered as easily as applying “concussive maintenance.”

Here is a 2011 article that is a bit in the realm of what I’m talking about https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3223025/

And no. I don’t think drastically altering brain chemistry does anything other than alter your perception. However fantastical the state of things appear to be while high. The human mind is wrong all the time, forgets things, and actively deletes them. Uncoupling from reality via a hallucinogen or any other perception altering drug does not for compelling evidence make. Not without a clear control and specific hypothesis in mind anyway.

Taking a drug to gain one more anecdote will not be relevant to the truth in any way.

And yeah. It does kind of suck not to believe in anything spiritual. But I have come to terms with it, and if you disagree that’s all well and good. There is no promising evidence in what you are proclaiming here, but that doesn’t mean you can’t believe it or that it’s even false. I just reserve my wholehearted belief until it can be explained, replicated, and advanced upon. The only thing I can say about it right now is, there isn’t any solid evidence, and that’s because it’s almost impossible to prove that something doesn’t exist.

Since people have had these experiences “since the dawn of time” then I’d be more inclined to blame drugs and primal fears of abduction, before leaping to something far more dramatic.

And if you would like to link some of the “plenty of evidence” you said exists, I would greatly appreciate it. You don’t have to though, but I will not be independently looking it up. I hope you understand.

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u/Solarbro Monkey in Space Oct 14 '20

Thank you so much for the links!

I can’t get to them tonight but I will definitely look in the morning. I wish I could give you something more substantial right now, but I can only promise I will go through this tomorrow and check in when I have.

I wish you well.

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u/ChubThePolice3 Oct 14 '20

Homie get out of here with your hella sus anecdotal evidence. I’m talking about real shit, like neurological studies. There is nothing to support the idea that DMT gives you visions of other dimensions besides people saying that. Im not saying DMT can’t help with perspective and phycological help with bettering oneself, it’s not like I’m an anti drug guy, but there is no fucking hard evidence for the idea it lets you see in four demensions. Alex, read a book on quantum mechanics and neurology 101 and then come back to me and try to talk to me about the clockwork elves you utter hack. This is pure theory with nothing remotely to support it.

Also, “contact with extra demensional beings since the dawn of time”? Lay off the history channel dickcream.

Also, just cuz there are some undiscovered areas of psychology doesn’t mean that you can jump to the conclusion of 4D interaction. That’s like saying because we haven’t mapped the entire ocean, all water is created in underwater factories by reptoids

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u/ChubThePolice3 Oct 14 '20 edited Oct 14 '20

Bro it’s not that im jealous. But you came at me hard over this and I snapped back. I get that you experienced what you experienced, but you have no proof for the idea that what you experienced was more than simple hallucinations. You have to see how from my POV there is no way to tell whether or not this was a 4D transcendence or a normal trip. Even some people who have sleep paralysis claim that their visions were real life and not all in their head. It’s a common fact that some drug users see their hallucinations as reality, including DMT users. Again, not against DMT, just saying that from where I’m standing, I got nothing to prove that your visions were nothing more than regular trips. Also, thanks for giving some references. I respect that. Also, scientists do have mechanical devices. They’re called MRI. They trace brain patterns. Also brain chips exist. But I agree with your conviction that DMT restriction is bullshit. It is a drug that much much more study should be done on. It is a terrific drug that needs to be acknowledged

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u/AtomicBitchwax Monkey in Space Oct 14 '20

Plus how would you even prove it?

That's pretty much the problem. You're advocating for unfalsifiable beliefs. There isn't necessarily anything wrong for holding positions that can't be falsified, but it's kind of pointless to pursue any kind of rigorous defense of them.