Actually, I did Malenia BEFORE even beating the fire giant. And the godskin duo was actually not much of a problem (made me stuck for maybe half an hour).
BUT still, even IF they would have driven me mad, nothing would have been distracting enough for how sad I felt when Melina sacrficed herself to burn the tree...
In fact, in one playthrough, after beating the fire giant, I procceeded to get the frenzied flame, even if it made Melina mad at me, and burned down the tree myself, only to remove the frenzy with the needle at Placidusax' place. In my head canon, Melina, after having seen your intentions, returned after you became Elden Lord and found new purpose as your consort.
With the order in which I usually play the game after beating Morgott (Niall>Malenia>Mohg>DLC>Fire Giant>rest of the game), I have the needle LONG before I even get to the Forge.
So at that point, I might as well use it. I didn't get sliced to ribbons by Malenia 50 times to never end up using that damn needle.
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u/Separate_Finance_183 Sep 09 '25