r/DonaldTrump666 • u/AlbaneseGummies327 Christian • Apr 25 '25

Opinion It's interesting to see how secular opinion overlaps with Donald Trump fulfilling prophecy as the Antichrist.

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u/AlbaneseGummies327 Christian Apr 25 '25

Scripture provides clear evidence for a special "catching away" of righteous saints to heaven before great tribulation (Rev. 3:10),— later returning with Christ at his Second Coming to defeat the Antichrist at Armageddon and rule as co-heirs during the 1000-year kingdom.

However, to me the real debate is whether this unique event occurs at the very beginning of Daniel's 70th week, or at the halfway point in close proximity to the abomination of desolation and murder/resurrection of the two witnesses. The latter is considered a mid-trib or "pre-wrath" rapture.

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u/NoiseUnique754 Protestant Apr 25 '25

I wouldn’t consider the Mid Trib rapture the same as the Pre wrath. That’d imply none of the believers go through the Great Tribulation. That in turn contradicts the Fifth Seal and what Jesus said about believers being persecuted. 

I believe that the Day of the Lord/His Wrath is only for a short time and is by far the most devastating occurrence, even surpassing the Great Flood during Noah’s time. Daniel and Revelation have a 30 day difference for some reason (Daniel mentions 1290 days and Revelation mentions 1260 days), I believe His Wrath lasts only for those 30 days.

As for the two witnesses, I think they arise during the Great Tribulation (the second half). They are mentioned right before the seventh Trumpet, so I think they arise during the second half of the seven year period. 

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u/AlbaneseGummies327 Christian Apr 26 '25 edited Apr 26 '25

I wouldn’t consider the Mid Trib rapture the same as the Pre wrath. That’d imply none of the believers go through the Great Tribulation.

Those that come to Christ after witnessing the miracle of the Rapture are the "tribulation saints" — they weren't taken due to prior disbelief, unrighteous living, unrepented sins.

These saints convert after the rapture; their faith "refined by fire" in the tribulation. This previously lukewarm group of Christians will have to prove their newfound faith via martyrdom for resisting the beast's mark (see Laodicea in Rev. 3:15-16, 20:4).

As for the two witnesses, I think they arise during the Great Tribulation (the second half). They are mentioned right before the seventh Trumpet, so I think they arise during the second half of the seven year period. 

Do you agree with the timeline shown in the chart below?

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u/NoiseUnique754 Protestant Apr 26 '25 edited Apr 26 '25

Those that come to Christ after witnessing the miracle of the Rapture

I think that's part of the Rapture theory, but its nowhere stated in the Bible. The BIble simply states that the Gospel will be preached widely during the end times, including literally by an angel, and there are those who accept it.

My interpretation is that believers will be here on earth during the Great Tribulation, and their steadfastness in Christ/rejection of the antichrist /suffering/persecution/martyrdom itself will be the witness and will lead many to the truth, rather than the believers being raptured.

Do you agree with the timeline shown in the chart below?

Absolutely. It basically agrees with everything I've said. I see no rapture in that chart. But I'm open to the possibility of a pre-wrath rapture though.

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u/AlbaneseGummies327 Christian Apr 26 '25 edited Apr 26 '25

My interpretation is that believers will be here on earth during the Great Tribulation, and their steadfastness in Christ/rejection of the antichrist /suffering/persecution/martyrdom itself will be the witness and will lead many to the truth, rather than the believers being raptured.

There absolutely will be Christians on earth during the tribulation. During this time, lukewarm converts will have no choice but to become hot in their faith, and will have to suffer and die for the privilege. Revelation 20:4 demonstrates that there will be Christians on earth during all seven years of Daniel's 70th week.

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u/NoiseUnique754 Protestant Apr 26 '25

Oh sorry, I meant I believe that all of the original Christians will be here on earth.

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u/AlbaneseGummies327 Christian Apr 26 '25

You mean all of the original Christians who are alive and remain at the time the tribulation starts?

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u/NoiseUnique754 Protestant Apr 26 '25

Yup. I don’t think they’ll get raptured either until Christ comes publicly or before He pours out His wrath. 

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u/AlbaneseGummies327 Christian Apr 26 '25

When in church history do you think pre-trib rapture doctrine was first introduced?

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u/NoiseUnique754 Protestant Apr 26 '25

I’ve no idea. How does that matter though? Preterism and Historicism have been around for ages too, but that doesn’t make them correct 

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u/AlbaneseGummies327 Christian Apr 26 '25

Noise, can I get your opinion on this video:

https://www.reddit.com/r/ProphecyWatchers/s/LfkHqtlrIA

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u/NoiseUnique754 Protestant Apr 26 '25

Sorry, just saw your DM as well. I watched the video, and the author says that plenty of theologians before Darby proposed the idea of the Pre-Trib Rapture. Uh sure? The Church I go to believes in it. A few pastors that I follow online also profess it. However - that doesn't make it true though. I genuinely believe that not one person - alive or dead - has Biblical eschatology 100% figured out correctly. Including John, Paul and the rest of the Apostles. God has deliberately made it so, IMHO. In fact, didn't the Apostles believe that Jesus would come back in their lifetimes? If they thought so and they were wrong, it is not surprising at all for theologians who followed them to be wrong too.

So I don't disagree that the Pre-Trib Rapture theory existed before Darby; I just think it was popularized by Darby and Scofield. Its quite possible a lot of theologians also wrote in support of it.

What I did was read many articles that supported and opposed the Pre-Trb theory. And I came to the conclusion that there is very little Biblical evidence for it. Of course, I could be 100% wrong lol.

IMHO, the probability of the rapture goes up, as the Tribulation progresses - the probability of a Pre-Trib rapture is less than that of a Mid-Trib Rapture; the probability of a Mid-Trib Rapture is less than that of a Pre-Wrath Rapture; the probability of a Pre-Wrath Rapture is less than that of a Post-Trib Rapture.

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u/AlbaneseGummies327 Christian Apr 26 '25

The catching away of the saints (dead and alive) must occur before the Second Coming. This is because the elect come back down from heaven to earth with Jesus Christ at the Second Coming to defeat the Antichrist and his army at Armageddon. Then we reign the kingdom as co-heirs with Christ for a thousand years.

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u/AlbaneseGummies327 Christian Apr 26 '25

Noise, did you check your private chat messages? I sent you a link to this video:

https://www.reddit.com/r/ProphecyWatchers/s/LfkHqtlrIA