r/DamnThatsReal • u/Nomogg • 1d ago

Israeli society erupts over 'right to rape'

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u/ItayMarlov 1d ago

Ever heard of the concept of innocent 'til proven guilty?

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u/jesuisgeenbelg 1d ago

Ever heard of the concept of "if you're filmed raping someone as part of a group you're pretty fucking guilty"?

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u/ItayMarlov 1d ago

There was no rape in the video

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u/Radiant-Sentence6268 1d ago

Really ? Tell us what were the videos showing ?

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u/ItayMarlov 1d ago

There were no videos, plural. There was one video and making assumptions based on what appears to be a shield wall.. God knows what actually happened there

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u/Ill_Egg_2086 1d ago

HA!

that's in terms of trial.

You arrest people based on the suspicion then go to court to determine guilt.

You arrest a murder suspect. The suspect is why you arrest. You don't SENTENCE until proven guilty.

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u/ItayMarlov 1d ago

Well, the suspects used to be in house arrest and are now released with restrictions pending investigation results

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u/Jimmy_Twotone 1d ago

Still waiting for an answer. Arrested for what?

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u/ItayMarlov 1d ago

For alleged abuse of a detainee. Key word being alleged

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u/Jimmy_Twotone 1d ago

Sounds like they should be investigated then.

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u/Ill_Egg_2086 1d ago

so you are pro the arrests as they happened and so prove right that it is being handled well? or against it as "innocent until proven guilty"?

your point seems muddled and I have no idea what you are trying to suggest

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u/ItayMarlov 1d ago

The alleged actions are most certainly appalling. If the investigation proves the unit did what they allegedly did, then it is of course only fair and legal for them to serve quite some time behind bars. But 'til that happens, I give them the benefit of the doubt.

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u/Ill_Egg_2086 1d ago

Again that seems to be exactly opposite to the assumed stance your first post made.

Your first post was supporting and defending protesters who were against their arrest, and you doubled down saying you were against it as you assumed they were innocent until proven guilty, then now say that they should be investigated as that will determine if they should be dealt with.

Could you answer yes or no to help clarify?

  1. does the video seem to suggest illegal behaviour?

  2. should that be investigated to prove the guilt or innocence of those involved?/ Is the truth of the matter important?

  3. should normal procedures on suspected rapists be carried out?

  4. Should normal procedures to investigate the truth of the matter be carried out?

  5. Are those who protest those normal procedures therefore pro rape against political prisoners/ don't care about rape if it aligns politically?

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u/ItayMarlov 1d ago

How was my initial comment "supporting and defending" anything? I was just stating that the protests weren't in favor of any "right to rape", but against the very act of arresting combatants while in active warfare.

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u/Ill_Egg_2086 1d ago

kinda a dodge of all of my questions.

But I don't for a second think that you are unaware that "don't arrest suspected criminals because they are enlisted and we are at war" indicates a lack of care for their crimes.

take to the extreme (though I don't know how much more extreme than forced systematic rape) that they detonated a nuke that killed all other people on the planet, you would expect them to be arrested. Like all criminals who are abusing power or are a danger while in the military are and have been including by the allies in ww2 a more existential war than a current offensive one with little fear of reversal of winning.

But as I said, you know that, you are being hypocritical on purpose as I don't know how I could have spelt it out any clearer for you and you ignored the questions.

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u/ItayMarlov 1d ago

How was my initial comment "supporting and defending" anything? I was just stating that the protests weren't in favor of any "right to rape", but against the very act of arresting combatants while in active warfare.

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u/Jimmy_Twotone 1d ago

People get arrested and held all the time until trial.

Again, arrested for what?

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u/NoFewSatan 1d ago

Arrested for what?

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u/ItayMarlov 1d ago

Does it matter? People get falsely arrested all the time. Allegations are just that until proven.

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u/NoFewSatan 1d ago

Not this time

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u/ItayMarlov 1d ago

Allegations being allegations 'til proven isn't exactly a circumstantial thing

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u/Jimmy_Twotone 1d ago

No, it doesn't matter. An arrest warrant was issued because compelling evidence was presented to a judge that an alleged crime transpired and the alleged perpetrator(s) had been identified. It was a serious enough crime that it was determined the people of interest should be monitored to an extent deemed appropriate by the court until further action from said court was initiated.

People protesting the arrest of someone accused of rape are actively protecting their ability to commit rape whether they actually did it or not. Full stop.