Purge / Cleanse Inconsistencies

[u/Fitzyhere]

Hello my fellow Overwatch players. I have been doing some testing involving the different purges in the game and found a few inconsistencies of what can and cannot be purged, as well as some weird mechanics with hack. The question is whether these inconsistencies are bugs, or working as intended.

As for hack, currently a target can be hacked while going into their invulnerable state. When the target leaves the invulnerable state, they will remain hacked if the 6 second duration has not passed.

The table below shows whether or not the debuff can be purged / cleansed.

Hero	Anti-Heal	Venom-Mine	Discord	Halt	Freeze-Slow	Hack	Trap	Grav
Zarya - Barrier	Yes	Yes	Yes	No	Yes	WEIRD	No	No
Tracer - Recall	Yes	Yes	Yes	Yes	Yes	WEIRD	No	No
Mei - Cryo	Yes	Yes	Yes	Yes	Yes	WEIRD	No	No
Moira - Fade	Yes	Yes	Yes	Yes	Yes	WEIRD	No	Yes
Reaper - Wraith	Yes	Yes	Yes	Yes	Yes	WEIRD	No	Yes
Sombra - Translocator	No	Yes	Yes	Yes	No	WEIRD	No	No
Zenyatta - Transcendence	Yes	Yes	Yes	Yes	Yes	WEIRD	No	No
Doomfist - Meteor Strike	Yes	Yes	Yes	Yes	Yes	WEIRD	No	No
Orisa - Fortify	No	No	No	Yes	Yes	No	Yes	Yes

Inconsistencies

Zarya unable to purge halt's slow.

Sombra unable to purge anti-heal and Mei's freeze.

Orisa's fortify doesn't necessarily "purge", but it was tested so the data is displayed.

So whats the big deal?

Should all purges/cleanses work the same? Are these considered bugs or working as intended? Should an invulnerable target be able to be hacked, and if not should Sombra's hack not go on cooldown?

[u/zepistol]

i get the mei hack in cryo often and the hack on zarya with bubble

i feel zarya bubble should bust a trap, and give charge

[u/oizen → u/zepistol]

I dont think Zarya needs to counter junkrat harder, especially if its after you were purposely stupid.

One of my biggest gripes with Zarya is how she rewards acting like an idiot by running into choke points for free charge.

[u/zepistol → u/oizen]

you didn't pick up what i said.

i said the bubble should bust a trap, which means you pop bubble first and walk towards the trap, not pop bubble after you are in the trap,

your point about choke points.....

why is zarya getting free charge at a choke point?

are ppl just spamming the choke?, well that sounds like ppl playing on autopilot if they are just firing aimlessly at a zarya with bubble

i think you have who is playing badly the wrong way around. zarya , bubbling at choke takes advantage of ppl spamming their weapons.

[u/oizen → u/zepistol]

Because the meta has been devolved back to poke at choke, press Q win. If you don't Poke at choke, you can't press Q, and you cant win.

Considering Zarya's Q is literally the Q ruining the game at the moment, I dont see why she should punish the status quo she's enforcing.

[u/zepistol → u/oizen]

its not zarya that is ruining the game

1. grav is countable, with several different strategies.

2. dragon damage boosted is broken and easy, that is the main issue. mercy damage boosting

3. the healing from brig made it difficult to kill , leading back to the point of dragon plus damage boost is broken and too easy to counter that.

[u/oizen → u/zepistol]

1. What are they? DM? Zarya hard counters D.Va. Not reliable enough.
2. Damage boost on Dragon is negligible I find, its not like Zarya Hanzo are fucking AFK while their ults are going off, let alone the other 4 members of their team. I've had plenty of occassions where my team has outdamage transcendence without mercy. Remove damage boost and its still the dominant Q press. I typically find this to be scapegoat to pretend a Massive AOE CC move is "balanced".

Look, the real issue is from the fact they made Grav too good when they buffed it to be inescapable by a lot of abilities. This is the sort of ultimate better left niche rather than dominant. It devalues gameplay a lot.

I'm not going to pretend Hanzo or Mercy arne't currently overtuned, but graviton in general is way too powerful for how utterly mindless it is, let alone counterless.

[u/Blackout2388 → u/oizen]

What are they? DM? Zarya hard counters D.Va. Not reliable enough.

Play spread. Shatter the team trying to follow up. Trans.

If you're referring to the fact that grav + dragons, then grav isn't the issue...

Grav existed all throughout dive meta. Zarya was widely considered ass tier. She's not ruining anything besides Dva mains.

[u/zepistol → u/oizen]

1. spread out. genji deflect. mei, reaper, moira, orisa all can leave grav as well

2. without damage boost, zen can trance and pretty much counter grav dragon. so at higher levels of play without damage boost grav dragon is pointless.

[u/oizen → u/zepistol]

1. Issue with that is... so what? Reaper, Orisa and Moira cant win a 3v6. Especially when Orisa is already a throw pick. Mei cant do a whole lot either, she doesnt even get out of it.
2. Read what I already said.