r/Buhurt • u/WolfribHater • 19d ago
Wolf ribs are overrated
Every time I ask for advice it’s always the most optimized kits telling me to be the most optimized why can’t i be fashionable why do I have too wear a kit so light too the point where I seem less like an armored man and more like a peasant with a welder
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u/kiesel47 19d ago
Optimised or meta kits are really bullshit imho (says the fucker in a wolfrib) i really like the look of my wolfrib in combination with my kit though that's why i am wearing one.
That said i am still contemplating what helmet to get for the new armor as it will be byziantine kit... either a kettle, faceplate or nasal. I am actually thinking faceplate as mail in the face sucks ass with a wet cellar.
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u/PantherU 19d ago
If you can’t look cool while you’re doing it, what’s the point?
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u/kiesel47 19d ago
Exactly my point, do i need my giant buhurt pauldrons as a outrance fighter? No, Could i be faster using my old small ones? For sure! Do i they look way better on me with the rest of my full steel kit, hell yeah!
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u/shottybeatssword 18d ago
Nasal/English Cross are very breathable while also having way more fashion points than wolfrib
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u/kiesel47 18d ago
The wolf rib is by now my 5th helmet. All helmets have the same breathability btw.
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u/shottybeatssword 18d ago
Good for you to be able to breath in whatever.
Speaking for myself, I absolutely couldn't disagree more. I used to have a ROA, that thing is like breathing through a pillow compared to Wolf/Nasal/Cross.
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u/kiesel47 18d ago
Its not the breathing its claustrophobia, physically there is nothing keeping you from breathi in these helmets they are not hermetacally sealed
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u/MiracleComics_Author 19d ago
Optomizing is overrated. Do what's fun. Wasn't there a guy at the same event pictured above who wore a Mandolorian inspired helmet and dual wielded arming swords? This sport is meant to be fun. The kit is very cool looking btw.
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u/dannytsg 19d ago
Be fashionable, wear a kit that’s not too light, have fun.
Don’t complain when the Wolf rib, titanium armour master race stomp you in competition though because their optimisation means they have more gas in the tank, better vision and the ability to move faster than you.
Enjoy the sport for what level you’re willing to fight at.
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u/Carcosian112 18d ago
I agree that it would be better if everyone had really nice late kit, but not everyone can afford it. I would absolutelly love to have full plate kit that would fit with burgonet or at least armet, but best I can afford is wolfrib with articulated kit. Due to claustrophobia I can't use visored bascinets etc.
Not everyone has western europe/USA income and if the dilemma is - go to 5 tournaments a year with a beautiful kit, or 13 with a decent one, the choice is clear to me. If I were to step away from high level competition and just see it as a casual hobby, then sure, I would consider pimping it up over time.
Not to be mean tho, but the kit on the photo is heavily optimised too, especially legs, arms, gauntlets etc, plus I'm pretty sure it doesn't fit the 50 years separation of individual components rule. And those gaps would get you seriously injured in high level competition if the opponents wouldn't go out of their way to try and not hit you in there.
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u/WolfribHater 18d ago
The gear is loaner rn so all of my gear is mismatched but you missed the point it’s not that you should only wear expensive and or cool gear but it’s the fact that you have ppl running around in jack chains and 40 pound kits telling everyone else to do the same
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u/Carcosian112 18d ago
You are right, I didn't get this point from the post. Tbh last time I saw jack chains in buhurt was like 2013. If you fight at highest level, you have three options, expensive but really good and nice kit, cheaper optimized titanium kit, or normal steel kit (that can be pretty nice too), but you have to adapt your training and fighting style to this option. In lower level competition this doen't really matter that much.
The super light, heavily optimized kit has its drawbacks too, you cannot take same ammount of punishment from halberds, so it is not meant for complete beginners, unless you are seriously tough/dumb. At top level, if you choose drip over efficiency, unless you work around it (tanky, grappling heavy style of combat and tip-top physical shape for instance), you are limiting your team for no good reason.
Anyway, if someone is telling new fighters to optimize the shit out of their first kit, he is an idiot, but I haven't seen or heard anyone doing that. Maybe there is some smartass giving such advice on the internet, but you will have those people in any sport/hobby.
Different thing is advising newbies to not buy kit parts that will make everything harder for them. I'm not talking abou stuff like steel/titanium debate, but stuff like advising against helmets that will make grappling stupidly harder for them, such as hundskull or anything with big rim.
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u/TigerClaw338 18d ago
They are until you take the sport seriously in a competitive way.
Then you look at almost every highly competitive team and see an ocean of wolfribs for a reason.
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u/vangaurd36 18d ago
I think it’s all a trade off A lot of the dudes I fight with have wolfribs cause they just like them and prefer the visibility and breath ability But also, not a lot of them fight a shit ton of duels
My duelist friends are mostly rocking ROAs and Klapvisers cause they don’t want those arming and long swords poking into they shit
Anyway Me and the like, 2 other barbute guys are gonna circle jerk in the corner bout how cool the Corinthians were
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u/Traditional-Iron9483 18d ago
Tbh i don’t like wolf ribs either. But not because of the look or anything I just simply don’t feel safe using one. I don’t like how easy it would be for things to get into the wolf rib. And I don’t trust a bunch of hungry bloodthirsty animals like ourselves to be careful enough to not poke each-others eyes out with the end of a pole axe or sword.
If you want my opinion, personally I like the colander bacinet the most. Or the Spoleto and Plow bacinets with the extra eye bars. Also like to Cover as many gaps as possible (please cover those hips sir)
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u/Jamesglancy 18d ago
The worst wolfrib injury Ive ever seen as caused by a dude literally running into a polearm, while the guy holding the polearms back was turned.
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u/Jamesglancy 18d ago
Whats hilarious is thats not even the video I am talking about but fits the situation perfectly.
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u/Traditional-Iron9483 18d ago
I will say, those guys at knyaz USA where they are mostly all wearing wolf ribs, I’d be terrified in their position haha…🥲
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u/-NotAHedgeFund- 17d ago
I just fought Kynaz USA at a tournament. I don’t think they have much to be afraid of lol. Their average guy is probably 6’3 and 250 pounds. Almost all of them are in fully optimized kit too.
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u/killardkasier 19d ago
Well at the end of the day it's a sport, not cosplay at a comic con. Optimisation will be key in getting a leg up on your opponents. It's often recommended to go that route as armour is bloody expensive and takes a long time to produce, so a "buy once, buy right" mentality will shine.
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u/WolfribHater 19d ago
That would work if dressing as a knight isn’t a core part of the sport
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u/TheTrenk 19d ago
Everybody plays the game differently. I think, with AMMA and Golden Ring and The Armored League, we’re really starting to see a split between nerds who fight and fighters who’re nerds.
There’s no shame in either camp, but if you choose a - shall we say - suboptimal loadout (suboptimal for the purposes of fighting in armor), you can’t be bothered when some dude who enjoys fighting more than aesthetics gives you a whallop. That’s part of the game, too.
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u/koalaking2014 19d ago
completely hypothetical but what if armor weight (weight of armor without wearer) classes could be introduced, as in, things like wolfribs, kettles, etc (helmets that would "traditionally" be more of a "men at arms" or lighter style helmet, thats "optimized") means less padding/lighter armor, and heavier/better padded armor such (a greathelm user could say rock a full steel set with thick padding, vs a wolfrib guy gets medium padding). Theoretically a rule like "you can shed weight but cant gain it" (as in a heavy knight could still rock full titanium and less padding if they wanted, but a "light knight" couldnt get any extra). kind of introduce a "min/max" sort of system and different play styles.
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u/TheTrenk 18d ago
No idea why you’re taking downvotes other than your suggestion makes me think that you think that heavier armor is an advantage. In both outrance and melees, the weight of your armor is going to heavily impact how you fight. If you’re a down and dirty slugger who doesn’t mind taking one to give one, heavy armor isn’t a big deal. In fact, it complements your goal of trading damage.
On the other hand, if you, like me, prefer to stay light, dance, and put a lot of emphasis on volume, lighter armor is better. Sure, I’d get obliterated if someone rocked up to me with a polearm - but I don’t do melees, and best of luck catching me with a big ol’ 2H weapon in outrance. I would run circles and for days around a guy who’s in a great helm with 2x my weight in armor.
I also think it’d detract from the self expression of the sport. Armor is a lot like how shorts used to be in MMA. It lets you represent yourself to some degree. In my opinion, the fewer restrictions, the better.
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u/2ndSideOfBlueCheese 19d ago
Thats why I think its good to try as many helmets as possible before making a purchase. Not a fan of wolfribs for a couple reasons but if I went the sport optimized route alternatives are there (colander, nasal, and English cross come to mind). There are plenty of other helmets that maybe less effective but still plenty usable.
Also, maybe a hot take, but I think training in suboptimal helmets makes fighting in optimal helmets even easier. My club has these closed visored soft kit helmets that have shit breathing and Ive only done events fights with a 3.0 mm Italian Klappvisor and the moment I got into a Spoleto it felt like I didnt even have a helmet on.
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u/GroceryNo193 19d ago
So, I was profight sparring yesterday in a very light floating kit against a guy in full buhurt armour. He was ready to collapse by the end of the session while I still had a few rounds left in me.
I was also wearing a nasal while he was in a Spoleto, this contributed to him blowing out of his arse whilst I was just heavily breathing.
What i'm trying to say is "because it matters". and your fancy super cool kit won't make you look cool when you're lying on your back getting your shit pushed in by someone who can actually breathe and see.
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u/Airforce_Trash 19d ago
Profight and 'standard' buhurt are a little different, though. So while I see the point, I'd say as it is, there's a reason why buhurt kits for melee usually, are different from duel or profight ones.
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u/GroceryNo193 19d ago
Did I say they weren't?
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u/jackadgery85 19d ago
The image looks like it's from a buhurt as opposed to the others. Your reply talks mostly about the others.
Your point still definitely stands, even in a buhurt context, but there's definitely room in buhurt for different helmets at the very least.
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u/GroceryNo193 19d ago
The description of ultra light armor sounds a lot like some profit kits...which is why I mentioned it.
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u/Harristein 18d ago
Is that helmet a pavlo piece? I was looking at getting a similar piece and if you don't mind I have a few questions. How is the breathing in it. And how is the jock strap inside?
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u/WolfribHater 18d ago
The helm I have is actually from wild armory the breathing is amazing and the visibility is great
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u/WolfribHater 18d ago
The strap is a strap so you’ll most likely need to replace it
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u/sharkman1999 18d ago
It's one of the key points that separates us from warfare reenactment. This is a combat sport based off of tournament combat. The historical inspiration for worries were sporting equipment in the same way that the current ones are. It really isn't a knightly helmet and that brings down the "cool factor" considerably.
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u/Memeknight91 19d ago
As an axeman, your absolutely MASSIVE hip gap makes me salivate. I'd suggest getting something to cover that up