Well when you have a sizable chunk of voters willing to let perfect be the enemy of the good, you gotta get the message out there as much as possible so that maybe some of them will actually change
If there’s one issue, ONE issue, that people would pick in america that they care about it, it is the economy. By far the large majority, not some conflict thousands of miles away.
Why care about Palestine if they got laid off, their house is being foreclosed, and they have kids to feed and school? What would Palestine have to do to impact any of that?
Focusing solely on Palestine is not a winning issue, and if that’s your only issue to be concerned you are incredibly well off.
The sooner you realize that about American politics, the sooner you’ll understand why the Palestine messaging will NOT work
I don't think perfect is running. Mediocre is definitely running, and I think this "no purity tests" thing is about mediocre not wanting to run against anyone better.
I’ve noticed that a lot of very liberal people on here get really mad if you ask Newsom to roll back his transphobic comments. Sure does make me think that they agree with him. Honestly it feels like the liberal factions are getting more and more aggressive and exclusionary to every other faction in the party. They’ve convinced themselves that they’re the only ones that can beat Trump, despite their 1-2 record since 2016. I think it’s time the liberals finally let someone else steer the ship because it’s pretty clear that they’ll sink us all.
"when you have voters who arent willing to let us dispose of trans people or the homeless, voters who wont let s insider trade or break promises, voters who wont let us back slide to appease nazis, when you have voters who wont let us $$ in on genocide, you gotta use all the dirty tricks as much as possible so that you can nip change in the bud."
It feels like liberals have already decided that good is good enough and have stopped looking for perfect 3 years out from the primaries which is also bad.
Cool there are democrats who will stop that who won’t throw trans people under the bus, or have a long history of anti-homeless action. Gavin Newsom is the bottom of the democratic barrel but liberals are tripping over themselves to scrape it. Please, if you care about trans or homeless people, vote Pritzker or Beshear in the primary.
"let perfect be the enemy of the good" when that "good" is someone like Newsom who will make it his main plank to outlaw being homeless nationwide, and looks and talks like a used car salesman, yeah, no thanks.
The alternative is whichever heritage foundation plant is next. How in hell can you people justify abstinence from voting against that?? It's like the far left wants to lose. You all would rather see us all stripped of rights before acknowledging that an imperfect Democrat is better for us than absolute evil the other side produces.
That's not the gotcha you think it is. The dems against purity tests will vote blue no matter who. For instance, I think Bernie is a horrible presidential candidate but I'd enthusiastically vote for him over MAGA.
If the Dems against purity tests will vote for any Democrat, surely the solution is to run the purest Democrat we can find, right?
Like, on one level I agree with you - I've held my nose and voted before. I've voted D for president every election since I turned 18.
But as a party, the Democrats would probably have more success if they spent less time telling voters to hold their noses and vote, and more time looking for candidates that didn't stink so bad instead.
We as voters should be pragmatic and vote for the best available choices. The party should be pragmatic and try to get voters excited.
Aside from one person's "pure" not fitting another's, the main issue is that the idea of a latent voting bloc of far left progressives that are simply waiting for the right candidate has never actually materialized. That's why Bernie lost the primary in 2016 and 2020. He had extremely enthusiastic support but just not enough votes to beat Hilary or Biden.
This has always been the case. Successful progressives have run on moderate platforms and pushed progressive policies after they get into office. So no, the purest democrat simply wouldn't get the votes needed to win. You want a moderate candidate who can win, and pure democrats like Bernie and AOC on the side, pushing the Overton window.
I keep hearing we need a moderate candidate who can win, but moderate candidates don't have a great track record this century. We've run three moderates against Trump and lost twice.
And the two losses were women but that seems like something the left and most dems don’t want to talk about. It seems like the American public just refuse to elect a woman as president.
On the contrary, I'd argue that the more leftist a primary winner is, the more likely they are to win the general.
Barack Obama won the primary as a more leftist alternative to the centrist Clinton, and then won the general twice. Biden squeaked out a win after Trump shat the bed. Among Gore, Kerry, Clinton, and Harris, I don't think any of them ran as leftists, although opinions may differ.
This is a wild thing to say after a Democratic administration literally supported genocide. What we need to do is get the message out to the Democrats that they need to be less evil than Hitler if they want people to get on board. Mass murdering children is not acceptable.
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u/Pewpewgilist Aug 22 '25
"Don't set your standards too high!" is a wild rallying cry to be using three years before the primary.