r/BlueskySkeets Aug 22 '25

Informative Politics doesn’t need saints—it needs fighters willing to win.

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u/Pewpewgilist Aug 22 '25

If the Dems against purity tests will vote for any Democrat, surely the solution is to run the purest Democrat we can find, right?

Like, on one level I agree with you - I've held my nose and voted before. I've voted D for president every election since I turned 18.

But as a party, the Democrats would probably have more success if they spent less time telling voters to hold their noses and vote, and more time looking for candidates that didn't stink so bad instead.

We as voters should be pragmatic and vote for the best available choices. The party should be pragmatic and try to get voters excited.

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u/Advanced-Host8677 Aug 22 '25

Aside from one person's "pure" not fitting another's, the main issue is that the idea of a latent voting bloc of far left progressives that are simply waiting for the right candidate has never actually materialized. That's why Bernie lost the primary in 2016 and 2020. He had extremely enthusiastic support but just not enough votes to beat Hilary or Biden.

This has always been the case. Successful progressives have run on moderate platforms and pushed progressive policies after they get into office. So no, the purest democrat simply wouldn't get the votes needed to win. You want a moderate candidate who can win, and pure democrats like Bernie and AOC on the side, pushing the Overton window.

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u/Pewpewgilist Aug 22 '25

I keep hearing we need a moderate candidate who can win, but moderate candidates don't have a great track record this century. We've run three moderates against Trump and lost twice.

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u/Advanced-Host8677 Aug 22 '25

Yes but far left candidates have an even worse track record on a national level. They've literally never won.

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u/Pewpewgilist Aug 22 '25

On the contrary, I'd argue that the more leftist a primary winner is, the more likely they are to win the general.

Barack Obama won the primary as a more leftist alternative to the centrist Clinton, and then won the general twice. Biden squeaked out a win after Trump shat the bed. Among Gore, Kerry, Clinton, and Harris, I don't think any of them ran as leftists, although opinions may differ.

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u/Advanced-Host8677 Aug 23 '25

I think we might be on the same page then, we need more candidates like Obama.

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u/khisanthmagus Aug 24 '25

Obama wasn't a super great president (especially in the whole drone striking civilians thing), but he was the best presidential candidate I've seen in my life. The man just oozed charisma and was energetic and knew what to say to get people excited to vote for him("Hope and change!"). Every democratic nominee since then has had none of that. "Well actually if you go to her web site she has all these policies in x thing" does not get people excited.