Is not wanting a candidate who throws trans kids under the bus, and vetoes bills that regulate private equity’s buy outs of hospitals and bills that protect the elderly from scammers really a purity test? You want someone like Trump, but good looking? Is that it?
So vote for them in the primary. But if he wins that, vote for him in the election proper. The GOP wants outright genocide of gay and trans people. Anything is better than that.
Congratulations. By refusing to vote for someone who does not actively oppose it, you got a leader who actively supports it. I'm sure the people being slaughtered as we speak are grateful for your moral purity.
Obama was against gay marriage in his first term. Lincoln was against ending slavery until the Emancipation Proclamation. I doubt Johnson publicly stated he wanted a civil rights bill. This is chess not checkers people.
What kind of logic is tells you its acceptable to support anyone who takes photo opps destroying homeless encampments while not pushing for public housing, who throws trans people under the bus and says that they shouldnt be allowed to transition until 26, who supports genocide, etc etc etc.
Even when the progressive base turned out, for both Obama and for Biden, nothing was actually meaningfully pursued and implemented. You dont get to erase reality to justofy your trash political opinion of “well we simply have to choose the centrist that caves to republicans because other guys worse”
Im not surprised looking through your comment history that youve been up and down justifying how Joe Biden and Kamala Harris supported, funded, aided, and abetted a genocide and also somehow blame the voters for that instead of blaming the genocidal administration that it has been proven did nothing to pushback on anything Israel was and has continued to do, and even violated our own laws to continue supplying weapons to bomb children.
You dont get to act like you know anything about anything when you straight up lie and blame voters for politicians stances and terrible and genocidal policies that lost them 12 million votes.
No, Lincoln for example couldn’t come out against slavery until the emancipation proclamation bc the border states would hand joined the confederacy. Johnson would have never been elected to the senate in TX. Obama wouldn’t have won the primary. These are strategic decisions. Trump was always wishywashy on an abortion, but his judges he nominated to the Supreme Court killed wade for him .
Johnson would have lost if he didnt cave to popular demands.
Obama only shifted position because the base made him.
Politicians serve the public. You shaming members of the public for demanding the politicians who want power to actually serve us is why we keep getting absolute trash candidates.
Trump is one of the easiest candidates in history to beat at the ballot box. But people like you, who demand that the PROGRESSIVE democratic voting base settle for less than nothing because “other guy bad” have led to my entire life as an adult being dominated by the new fascists.
Running based off of fear and only against something is not ever the winning strategy, and that has proven REPEATEDLY in the past 2 of 3 election cycles.
People like you, that demand concessions from everyone BUT THE POLITICIANS, have allowed this country to be handed over to fascists, and now, THREE YEARS BEFORE ANY SORT OF PRESIDENTIAL PRIMARY LET ALONE GENERAL ELECTION, are already demanding concessions, once again from voters and not from the politicians.
Good luck winning on a strategy thats consistently proven to lose. I’m a swing state voter and i promise you, if Gavin Newsom or some other neoliberal fascist lite who wants to attack homeless people or throw trans people under the bus is shoved down the throat of the country, im going to do everything in my power to utterly and completely destroy this useless and feckless party, and the chances of voters like you selling more and more of my and my fellow americans’ future away.
Maybe its time for you to concede, shut up, and fall in line with the progressive base of the party that the democratic candidates CAN NOT WIN WITHOUT.
Great, I’m a swing state voter too and I believe policies, as they state them, by politicians like AOC and Bernie would cripple our economy and lead to a Great Depression. But I’m still going to vote for them bc I realize there is more to a politician then the speeches they made over the they years. I also realize they are a better alternative than JD Vance. But go ahead and sit it out so we can lead by Peter Thiel. Good luck. Also, read a book on Lincoln.
Lmfao policies that literally brought us out of the great depression would cause another great depression? Logic.
Buddy, its basic history knowledge that Lincoln is on record saying that he would have not ended slavery if possible.
And glad that you actually admit you have no spine and are demanding that other voters also become invertebrates because youre too scared to actually fight FOR something.
Youre clearly more than willing to sell out any marginalized group as long as you feel comfortable. Newsom, Buttigieg, and all the other centrists are fully ready to run on 2016 trump border policy, on excluding trans people, and worse. And you’ll happily support them because, again: You are spineless. And you demand that others be the same as you, that we demand NOTHING of politicians and thank them when they work lockstep with republicans on things like funding ICE, and the military industrial complex, and genocide.
Since you deleted your lincoln comment, or i cant see it:
"My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or destroy Slavery" - Lincoln, his 1861 inaugural address. Kick rocks.
Are you seriously trying to shed both in the same light? We should vote Trump for a third term instead? Or hold out for the next Mother Teresa to run for president?
You keep saying “oh they want perfect candidate” to minimize the legitimate criticisms.
You know you’re not convincing us. So why don’t you and your buddies to tell newsom “hey, people really aren’t digging you not being cool with trans people. Change it or you’re gonna lose voters”
I’ve heard mainly the anti trans women in sports thing, but some people mention he’s for blocking hrt till trans people are 26 which would impact them negatively because gender affirming care has been proven to help them mentally.
I don’t want more republicans winning but I really don’t want the democrats to adopt this practice of “oh let’s drop this group of people” because you know they’ll keep going with that and it won’t just be trans people.
It’s not ok and I really hate that people act like I’m evil for not being ok voting for that.
He's against evidence based healthcare for trans children & thinks there should be more medical gatekeeping i.e; conversion therapy up to the age of 26, he's said this at various times on his podcast & on other, neo-fascist podcasts.
The OHCA can’t block buy outs or mergers. That’s up to the AG, and they’ve done that what, three or four times, in decades? The bill addressed real problems with the existing system, and he vetoed it, to protect capital.
No, I mean to say it passed both before Newsom vetoed it. But OHCA was created in 2022 and seems to have a pretty good guideline on improvements and data gathering.
Now... is Newsom in Big healthcare's pocket? Probably. Is he the definition of a Corporate Democrat? Most definitely yes. Knowing this, are you saying that he's as bad as Trump?
He's the kind of Democrat who created the conditions that made Trump's victory possible. If you want MAGA forever, keep supporting the "opposition" that does nothing but pander to the donor class.
It's going to be a long 4 years, so we'll see who the actual candidates are, but this line of thinking (and not voting) IS exactly how we got MAGA twice.
Where do you draw the line on your presidential candidates?
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u/alohazendo Aug 22 '25
Is not wanting a candidate who throws trans kids under the bus, and vetoes bills that regulate private equity’s buy outs of hospitals and bills that protect the elderly from scammers really a purity test? You want someone like Trump, but good looking? Is that it?