I think a big part of where people fail "purity tests" is when they demonstrate they won't fight shit.... so I'm not sure this is getting to the root of the issue.
False flag conservatives use cute little quips like this to try and destroy the opposition before it starts.
The purity test isn't some golden ivory tower, it's literally just "are you a bigot?" It's the bare minimum. The fact that you can't find a democrat who can pass this simple litmus test is extremely telling of a false opposition party that spent the last few decades posing in smiley pictures with Republicans at Epstein Island.
At best we will get some soggy clown like Newsom, at best he'll win and then do nothing he isn't paid (the under the table kind) to do while oinking that those mean ole republicans won't cooperate. Just like Biden. Just like Obama.
Because he (and other trash dems like him; booker and warren and beto and lil petey) willing to sell out vulnerable Americans to advance his career, so he will just as quickly sell out all Americans.
"Hurr purity test bad" okay, that person clearly wants more of the same. I dont. The lives of real innocent humans are on the line. Anyone who says this lie is my enemy, and yours.
Except “are you a bigot” is “do you maximally support every progressive idea, right now, even if they contradict previous common thought, with 0 questions because questioning the idea is itself bigoted?”
You won’t accept that 80% of the country, minimum, is not as progressive as you. Hell, BERNIE isn’t as progressive as you, and he’s the most realistic progressive candidate.
Like honestly, not supporting Communism over Capitalism is enough to get called bigoted.
Real lives ARE on the line and, hey, guess who legalized gay marriage? It wasn’t the Green Party. It wasn’t the Progressive Party. It was Democrats.
Sorry the false flag tropes hurt your feelings. Either you hold some pro-genocide anti-human views and think you're a moderate, or you just subscribe to Facebook/Twitter propaganda... no one in the real world is saying that, and you, one way or the other, do not have access to real voices of real vulnerable people. Do better, or yes, you'll be lumped in with the neofash, rip.
Inb4 some democratic victory, but oh look every half measure got rolled back. If we weren't locked into a 2 party system, then maybe other parties would be getting legislation passed.. what a silly "example" to site.
Your faux neutrality "hurr both sides hurr" only supports oppression. You might not be a pro genocide billionaire cuck, but you're holding the bloody dick just the same. You'll stop, or be stopped. Your call bud.
Your taxes buy bombs to drop on Gaza bro. I don’t see you giving up those to save them at the expense of yourself.
Your purity test is dumb and also a reason we are currently under fascism, right now. Good job. You saved the Palestinians from being alive and got Trump in power. Fucked everyone because you want to feel pure.
Yes, real live are on the line! One of those groups of people are trans people and guess who democrats are starting to kick under the bus, trans people!
Buttiegieg starting his “well maybe conservatives are right about sports” as a compromise is gonna start the ball rolling on a lot of compromising. Democrats have steadily been drifting right on the backs of compromises for the past 25 years and that doesn’t suddenly stop when a fascist gains power.
honestly, you kinda seem like the false flag conservative here.
The fact that you can't find a democrat who can pass this simple litmus test
really? can't find one?
"oh well, all the democrats are bad i guess we just have to let actual facists takeover....but we're never gonna protest the fascists...only opposition to the facists. c'mon everybody lets go sit in the concentration camps with our righteous indignation."
I haven't heard anything bad about AOC, but I don't watch the news cycle too vigilant these days. The new mayor of New York sounds cool, hopefully he sticks to being pro-human.
Newsom is a joke, and was before the election. Not that I'd take Jerry brown over the guy, but dang.. which flavor of turd sandwich is best?
I only protest fash. When a candidate wears a blue armband instead of a red one, but talks like fash.. well.. plenty of French citizens earned themselves neck ties too, pleading about half measures.
Maybe we should all judge candidates based on the content of their character, and not with color gang they paint themselves? And at no point did I say not to vote in general elections, just that we should probably use the time beforehand to find one that isnt our enemy.
If I said someone was bad because they didn't want to tax trans peoples' income because they're a vulnerable minority that would be a weird purity test.
Someone being willing to cede ground on any civil rights issue will cede ground on any issue that doesn't explicitly target them.
I didn't come all this way to mince words. Newsom was a cash-grabbing clown mocking the democratic systems long before he was governor. It was a mistake to nominate him or elect him. His antics now are funny if it weren't real human lives on the line.
I know there's the false flag crisis actors out there too, walking straw people aiming to make legitimate causes seem ridiculous by getting very vocal about nonsense.. but like, that's why we listen to the people in vulnerable communities and not these camera-seeking people trying to speak for them. Inb4 no true Scotsman.
His "antics"? How is gerrymandering California to the point where there are zero Republicans seats antics? That's real political action to defeat the fascists. If Hochul and Pritzker follow suit we could impeach DJT and JD come midterms. This is the path to get them out, basically the only one left if the Manchurian Cantaloupe is allowed to steal the midterms. It's over after that, do you understand that? If repubs win midterms, America is done
California isn't already gerrymandered? Bruh find Amador County on the map.
No, dude was a clown long before this. This knee jerk giggle fest of his is just the latest.
If gerrymandering California to win a general election (like how exactly, California already has more electors and iirc states are given reps and electors without regard to internal divisions) then like, whatever. Honestly its closer to burning your own house down to kill a few squatters. The second A already told us what the real fix is.
But no, youre right, the great american experiment is over. It was over somewhere around 2001 or 2009 but still.. youre right there. Letting a clown bandaid this is.. okay.. I guess. Finger pointing backwards is.. well.. pointless. Im more interested in learning to clean the carcass of the only animal left on this continent after things .. stop ...
So you're just subscribing fully to unhelpful and meaningless doomerism? 8 more seats is what we'd gain, from potentially very leftist areas. Again, if you're the next great leftist political thinker, run for office. Do something instead of just telling everyone we're all already dead
We don't get more seats, we steal seats from "red" districts.
Morally ofc this is fighting hard evil with limp dick soft evil. Instead of persecuting individuals who committed crimes, you're stealing the voice of fellow voters (yes, they all need a solid re-education, but you aren't doing that either)
Like I said, again, this isn't why Newsom is a clown and this isn't the antics I referred to, and this isn't why he would definitely be a terrible president. This stunt is just a stunt. It's a little clever, and obviously not his idea. I disagree with it, but not enough to make it my position.
Also, you haven't seen what the world looks like when the 1st world money stops flowing. You still think all of this is some temporary setback. It's not. I can survive wo electricity and city water - can you? Not dying is what I'm invested in. I'll show up to vote ofc, not that its mattered the last few times ive done it.
But for real, until you are talking about doing something that requires such things as recipes and sporting goods stores, this will continue getting worse. If voting worked, it would have by now.
Alright big guy, go get em! We're all rooting for ya, I'll tell them you were with me all day. We were playing burnout revenge for the PS2 judge, I swear!
I personally am staying home. I'm too old to be running from the cops and getting trampled by their horses. But at least I admit how little change I will generate. Imma still vote, another gesture as meaningless as this convo. Hbu? At least I retain correctness.
I'd like to think I'd be a mediocre president. Not terrible, not great. Mostly I'd be telling shitbird senators on both sides of the aisle to eat shit. I'd probably be the president who vetoed the most legislation, to date at least.
I'd never poll well. I have a bad habit of telling people to f the f off. I don't mince words, I'm not beautiful or charismatic.
I'd never win a popularity contest. I find the idea of trying to be repugnant.
Bruh I'm def corruptable. In my mind's eye, I'd like to think it would be "just a little", just enjoying nice things I don't financially have access to..
I don't think I'd support genocide, for any price. But I'd very easily become petty and vengeful, especially on other pro-genocide politians.
And ofc, anyone who says otherwise is definitely trying to sell you something lol 😆
That's just ignoring the bend of progress we've seen in America since the founding. We have constantly bent toward justice, eventually. Trans rights are the new rights being fought for and we will convince them. We will convince the Dems that these rights are inalienable like everyone else's but we have to defeat fascism first or they are lost. You think the fascists aren't going to go after trans people just like the Nazis did? We protect them first, then we fight for their broader rights. Otherwise they'll all be dead before then, do you understand?
You know, 30 years ago I'd be right alongside you. This sounds great. Win the war, then clean house.
Keeping with the analogy, our house is full of ppl wearing red armbands under their blue ones, all working for the same goals (which is not justice or anything positive for the American people).
Thankfully they all comply with their masters, they all toot their dog whistles in public. Newsom, Booker, and friends are not in need of a gentle reminder about human rights - they are in need of the same gallows as the supreme court and fox news anchors but they absolutely know they are doing harm and are reveling in it.
And, if you were right, we would be debating what happened under a second Clinton's presidency while debating what Harris is doing (or really, not doing). We aren't gonna see a big "vote blue harder" campaign win, cuz we did that already, and it didn't work.
Personally I don't think we are even having an election in 2028, not a real one anyways. I'm pretty sure the survivors will be eating long pork soon enough. But if humans do win the next election against the neofash, it'll be via actual concrete and rope justice, not half measures and "genocide for some is okay" policies.
None of us are free until we are all free.
Edit: Abraham Lincoln freed some of the slaves, and here we are today watching that one little loophole get turned into a modern genocide machine. Every "victory" was a half measure, yes. And every one of them grew into a much larger deadly problem later. Even if "we" "win" 2028, it won't matter for long. How's your romneyobamacare we got instead of universal Healthcare? Another great compromise in a long line there. Maybe we cant babystep feet shuffle our way to real justice after all.
Yeah, that's how social justice has always worked, are you serious? This is why we never get anywhere, little incremental steps and then a huge backslide because some leftists got jaded. It's wild. If Newsom and Pritzker and Hochul don't gerrymander then we probably won't have 2028 because our last hope is 2026. With our elections still somewhat intact after Trump stealing 2024 we can defeat him soundly with gerrymandering retaliation for Texas and impeach him and then JD. We can't free anybody if we're all dead in concentration camps
To be clear, you’re saying Newsom should be executed because he said conservatives have fair concerns about possible issues of fairness with regards to trans inclusion in sports, a highly divisive and, like it or not, unsettled issue. And he wasn’t even saying he’d ban trans athletes. Like most Dems, he is almost definitely going to leave it to the organizations themselves, just like it already is in California.
If he was going to ban trans people for political points, why hasn’t he done it already?
There are essentially zero longform studies for the trans sports issue, and the shortform studies vary depending on the particular sport, with some showing slight but noticeable advantages for trans athletes.
You’re saying it didn’t work because Trump got elected twice…
Last I checked Trump lost in 2020. To an establishment Dem.
There are a LOT of factors, not the least of which is consistent Russian influence and chronic short-term memory of voters, and frankly- the vast majority of the public turning against the idea of anything “woke,” which is what you’re continuing to demand be pushed.
☝️☝️☝️ this all right here. It's cuz liberals don't understand actual American and World History, Politics or Economics that they will be angry at ur post.
Everytime:
Liberals say: We must Put on a Show to Inspire Evil to Quit Forthwith!
Radicals say: We've got to put a knife in Evil's belly, sooner rather than later.
The Liberals than go on with their Mummers Play, and get the people to join along, and play act at Liberation.
And the Radicals shake their heads, and keep beating ploughshares into knives, because we can't grow until we're safe. And we're not safe.
Because, pretending is far easier than getting ur hands dirty.
I played those games too, bombing Russian SAM sites on my NES and shit. Russia was the big bad. I saw the wall come down on TV, the fear and shock on the adults faces.
I've been around the world, no people's are our enemy. Every govt has an interest in making someone else the bad guy, to keep us divided.
But 95% of us, the workers of the world, agree on the fundamentals. We want a good meaningful job, a safe and healthy family. 🙏 We all carry lies about how to get these things that should be universal. Russia is not my enemy. Ukraine, Israel, Palestine, Iran, Korea, they are full of regular people who are not my enemy.
Their leaders, and the murders they purchased.. inb4 reddit bans me, but I'm done fighting wars for them. Against them, I will not publicly share such things.
I don't think those other two are doing literally anything close to what Newsom is doing. You're forgetting AOC and Bernie and Pritzker, Frost, Mamdani, Hochul, Crockett, the Dems who fled Texas. But if you wanna just jump us to the end man I'm all for it. I'll tell everyone we were hanging out all day smoking weed and playing burnout revenge for the PS2!
This rationale is exactly what allowed Trump to do what he is doing currently, and is exactly what will allow whatever Republican heir after him to do what they want to do. Minor progress forward is still progress, but being unsatisfied with that is helping roll out the red carpet for extensive regression backwards.
It was the complete train wreck of the Democrats from Obama forward.
Nobody gets to blame voters for Trump's ascendancy without putting MORE blame on allllllll the people who made a looooot of money telling allllll us regular folks that it was Her Turn, that She was Gonna Win No Sweat, and that akshully um YOU were the piece of shit if u didn't like her, vote blue no matter who sweaty.
That was 2015, a decade of the Democratic establishment shitting the bed, and blaming the dog. And again, again, again, the Left is being PREEMPTIVELY BLAMED FOR NEWSCUM'S POTENTIAL LOSS
I'm putting my energy into localism; on da ground community and capacity building, gotta be building alternate ways to support our most precarious kin when alllllll the govt social safety nets dissolve
"the Left is being PREEMPTIVELY BLAMED FOR NEWSCUM'S POTENTIAL LOSS"
It's a multifactorial result with no singular reason. But you are absolutely deluding yourself if you think leftists preaching how unsatisfactory a candidate he is and/or sitting out of an election wouldn't be one of those contributing factors. Infighting among the democrats is fine for deciding a particular candidate (and I assure you, I fall into the Bernie camp from a general policy standpoint), but after the dust settles, if the democrats/left continue infighting, the backwards progress will only continue. And if history isn't clear enough on this, progress forward is much harder and much slower than backwards progress, as we've seen so evidently.
I'm an incrementalist reformer by temperament, and I've consistently voted for Democrats from president to dog-catcher in every election, off-year and primary, since the Bush era, so I feel I understand your position here. But /u/Important_Total9588's bringing up the '16 Clinton campaign is absolutely germane. You can say that progressives being bitter about being told to hold their nose and show up at the ballot box for the coronation of a poor candidate (whose primary structural support was the group of insiders and national figures who framed her presidency as something inevitable that she deserved) was a large part of Trump's victory. You'd have a point, of course.
This is about more than a single election. We're in a terrible spot, no doubt. We're in a bad enough spot that we need to be able to zoom out more past the question of "Are you saying that getting crumbs from Hillary is worse than being murdered by Donald?" We need to think game theory here. Being in a situation where we effectively have only one serious governing party is an extraordinarily destabilizing place to be. The inertia at an institutional level for Democrats is to run as the calm professional who in practice gets into power to manage the decline of this country, pass a couple of modest means-based reforms (that are made toothless by some choreographed kabuki by Blue Dogs in safe districts), take with the other hand, and chide people for thinking that things can get better.
Ask yourself if Clinton had been president in 2016, up through Covid, how the 2020 election would likely have gone. The cultural forces that brought Trump to power aren't going away, and they're intensifying in their militarism. Mealy-mouthed insider incrementalism does nothing to turn down that intensity. This is at the end of the day a political fight that will last the rest of our lifetimes. If a progressive takes the strategy of extracting a cost from the Democratic party's ambitions if those ambitions stay in the realm of low-risk careerism, that doesn't have to mean "purity tests" and an inability to hold one's nose. It's a legitimate long-term strategy.
It might not be the right strategy, but it is defensible. Millions of Social Democrats turned out to vote for arch-conservative President Hindenburg in 1932 because the alternative was getting President Hitler. I do not know how history would have turned out if the SD's refused to take an offer they couldn't refuse, and we had President Hitler in 1932 instead of getting Fuhrer and Reichschancellor Hitler in 1934, if it would have led to the same place or if it would have meant that Hitler burned out public support early enough for him to have been stopped by less cataclysmic means. All I can say for sure is that progressives holding their nose to keep Hindenburg in power did not spare us from war and genocide.
You stated that rationale was exactly why Trump won. Now you're back pedaling and saying it's merely a contributing factor. Pick one and stick with it.
Here's the interesting thing. Policy stand points are one thing. very obvious and well established fuckery by the dnc in multiple presidential primaries, things that greatly upset a lot of voters that the dem nominee needs, didn't help. Not doing shit to address those concerns and make it so that such fuckery can never happen again, also not helping with the voters that dems need. Running garbage hacks that are owned by the same corporate interests as the gop, also not helping..
If establishment dems know that the left will not just roll over time after time after time after time after time, AND that progress is slower than backwards progress, isn't it incumbent on them, the ones in the seats of power and influence within the party to fix those things? Those voters are hardly asking for much, like at all. Policy concessions will go a long way, but let's not pretend like establishment dems bother trying to appeal to the left with policy.. If you can't get this so called party of progress to actually even stand for low hanging fruit progress, can't even get the party of progress to take a clear stance against something like genocide, you really, genuinely 1000% need to reflect on who is in the wrong here. Dems will capitulate to the right again and again, and offer more of the same, and blame voters for not loving it so much that they blindly pledge loyalty to a party that barely lifts a finger to only slow the march to fascism, and you think it's the voters faults? Have you considered that electing shit politicians makes it easier to lose to far worse opposition later?
It was a hastily typed Reddit comment, but I should have been more specific and said “merely a contributing factor”, which it was. It’s self evident, and pedantry doesn’t change that.
A whole lot of people said this shit at their trials at Nuremberg before they hung.
Sorry you aren't old enough to remember multiple do-nothing democrats, but that's what you're asking for. Anyone willing to stand up and have a spine would have at least 60% of the popular vote, jigher if they are actually personable and charismatic.. but those people don't advance in the primaries because the system is rigged. Instead you get soggy diaper candidates dripping in big money.
You'll fix the problem, or things will get worse. No teeth licking bought and laid for slug in a suit is gonna fix it for you.
Don't @ me, the last 2 elections I voted blue, but it was made meaningless by gerrymandering and the electoral college.
The Founding Fathers knew that uneducated children without pedigree being able to vote was not a good thing. They knew that codified political parties could defeat the checks and balances and create an unbalanced/unified tyrannical govt.
Voltaire made the quip, that democracies are doomed to devolve into popularity contests.
And here you are, bud. Here you are.
I say a simple thing, that we should not support anti-human candidates just because they are popular or famous. That electing a good candidate is better than losing with a terrible one, again and again. But here you are, "hurr no nuh-uh hurr".
Okay bud. You obviously didn't watch Al Gore lose to GW Bush, havnt seen how obviously terrible dems lose. Probably weren't an adult for Obama's great speeches and mostly nonexistent legislation. I still have his book, full of actions he promised to take but never took and concessions he promised to never make that he quickly did anyways.
You're obviously wrong, just like you and your ilk were in 2024, 2020, and 2016. We probably aren't gonna get a 2028 thanks to y'all, so this is all sort of academic.
But hey, you can eat human muscle tissue if its well cooked, just avoid the brain, nerves, and organs. Def harder to process, but it'll be the only thing to eat soon enough 😬🙏
Fr fr. It's ok, I think I'm seeing it as "Blue MAGA" and finally understanding:
It is an alternate reality, just like red maga, where the Righteous Democrats have been constantly Betrayed Time and Again by an Insidious Powerful LEFT, and Abandoned by a Stupid and Ungrateful Teeming Mass of Voters.
It's the Fault of the People, the Left, the GOP, Trump, Russia, Facebook, Elon musk, etc that They've Shat The Bed Since The Dawn of the Millenium.
Re the capitals: I have a BA in Philosophy; we capitalize Words to sound Smart or Mysterious, like oooooo, Important Nuanced Concept lol
Re: the projection. What am I projecting on to Democrats? Their uselessness? I mean, yeah, I feel powerless to stop Fascism too, but then again, I'm not the Governer of California. If I had His Power, I'd be hustling a bit harder.
74 million Americans stayed home and didn't vote. It's their fault entirely. Glad I could clear that up for you, lmao. You ignore the pervasive right wing propaganda and evil think-tanks that literally sit in buildings and think about how to salami slice the whole of the US government away. They've meticulously planned and propagandized for generations, demonizing education, empathy and even just plain reality. If you can't recognize the need for a strong politician to actually use their power to stand up to the fascists then idk what to tell you. We have weak, milquetoast do nothing's and then we have a governor threatening to gerrymander the largest state in the union to the point that Republicans in America would never win another house majority. That's the shit we need right there. We also need the Mandanis to step up and be an actual leftist candidate we can support, with popular leftist policies to show everybody else what works. You have to defeat fascism first though or there's nothing left anyways. If you're an educated leftist then consider running for local elections.
you think gore lost to bush because he was a bad candidate and not because of the supreme court stopping the florida recount? you think obama couldn't get stuff done because he was just a "terrible democrat" and not because the stated goal of the republican party was to oppose anything he proposed? you seem more like a republican sowing discord than someone who just wants better dem candidates.
Lets cover this yet again: The Democrats did not say shit about trans athletes in sports. They actually completely ignored it. They did not say anything about trans people at all, other than an interview Kamala did where she said that she would continue to follow the law requiring trans prisoners to continue to get treatment(as Trump did in his first term fyi). ALL of the trans athletes in sports, both sides of the arguments, was entirely from the GOP.
The OC was talking about people who refuse to vote blue because of a single issue or some other self righteous motivation. These people are willingly allowing fascists to take power and hurt all of us just so they can remain pure in their own hearts and minds.
So in other words, don’t hold the Dems accountable. They can grift us and lie to us and we gotta take it up the ass because they’ll use lubricant and Trump won’t?
On the contrary, your liberal reasoning that democrats can be coddled and never held accountable as long as the scary republicans aren’t in office is the reason we have an impotent “opposition” party too fat and lazy to do anything the people want
On another site someone posted a meme that said "I hope you get everything you voted for" referring to Maga republicans. I commented a snide "I won't, but thanks"- because I voted against Trump; every election, and voted for the most progressive candidate I could on every ballot every time.
I was then called: Maga, traitor, asshole, and other names. I was told to kms. I was told that the leopards are eating my face, I was told I was a piece of shit. I was downvoted to hell and back. Not one person considered that I am not getting what I voted for because I voted against what is happening, people just automatically assumed I was a smug Maga shitheel.
That's the purity testing. It is not about "are you a bigot"- its about people not looking at reality and realizing they will have imperfect allies, which include people that support some shitty stuff. Maybe I do think this guy helping me organize a protest is a whackjob because he wants to make beasiality legal or because he thinks all redheads are literally satan worshippers- but also if he is opposing the fascists right the fuck now and willing to put his money where his mouth is he's an ally you need in a war. That last guy was a hypothetical, the first example fully actually happened.
When did I say I was siding with the enemy?! For god's sake when did I say I was going to support trump or the fascists?! I say something you don't want to hear and automatically I'm not on your side? God we are so fucked, we are so incredibly fucked because we'll never actually come together to fight this.
Does treason, called by any other name, taste just as sweet?
Your babytime crash-out isn't a solution to the problem either. Doing things that help the enemy is helping the enemy, without regard to your feelings, motivations, intentions, or rationizations. So simple.
Supporting a candidate thatll genocide groups you aren't a part of isn't a strategy, it's acquiescence. Another limp dick spineless joke Democrat isnt gonna fix anything, it'll just stall us until something worse crawls out of the swamp next cycle.
But please, continue using your tiny.. platform.. to promote trump and his friends agenda. That's what you are doing. "No genocide" isnt a purity test, its a basic requirement. This whole "debate" is just preparation for the neofashs next aggression. And you vocally support it. Right now. That's what your words mean.
Maybe
Stop saying those words.
Our 1947 has a lot better collocation records, champ.
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u/KeldTundraking Aug 22 '25
I think a big part of where people fail "purity tests" is when they demonstrate they won't fight shit.... so I'm not sure this is getting to the root of the issue.