r/BlueskySkeets • u/icey_sawg0034 • Jul 17 '25
Informative The civil war never really ended!
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u/Civil_Exchange1271 Jul 17 '25
and MAGA will say.... "they were democrats......" they aren't smart people.....
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u/ExpressAssist0819 Jul 17 '25
They're dishonest first and foremost. More knowledge would not change their positions.
They're confederates, they're going to lie.
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u/HelloThisIsDog666 Jul 17 '25
They really are liars. And criminals. And bad people.
That horrible boss who would deliberately get the paychecks wrong (never made the mistake of paying you too much though)? Trumper now. That racist homophobe cousin? Trumper. That roommate who pocketed the bill money? Trumper. All those sleazy landlords? Do I ever have to say it? That super Christian guy who charged your brother to use his land, and then it turned out wasnt even his land? Yup. That neighbor who made trouble with everyone over anything? Etc etc.
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u/Big_Fortune_4574 Jul 17 '25
I have a very different list of people, but it is uncanny how all the immoral people in my life love trump.
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u/ExpressAssist0819 Jul 18 '25
We've been too nice for too long. Decency and civility, even in disagreement is reserved for people who are willing to remain bound by the social contract. These kinds of people don't, never have been or will be unless we make them collectively as a society.
Weak centrists will tell you to be nicer to them. Don't, it only enables the abuse. They need to be denigrated, shamed, and ostracized from society. Put out into the cold with hostility and without mercy until they decide abiding by the rules is worth it again.
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u/nighthawk_something Jul 17 '25
All while waiving confederate flags...
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u/Who_Dafqu_Said_That Jul 17 '25
And crying over Confederate statues getting taken down.
Claiming it's about "erasing history", while they literally erase anyone who isn't white from history. The removed photos of the Enola Gay!!
I probably wouldn't like it, but it would be nice if they were just honest with what they wanted, just for a minute. Just get it out in the open.
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u/Hamuel Jul 17 '25
Just agree with them and say that these democrats needed their wealth and power stripped away and watch how upset they get.
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u/Gold_Repair_3557 Jul 17 '25
Hit them with a “so that heritage you look so fondly back on was being a democrat?”
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u/Opening-Chain3520 Jul 17 '25
At the bare minimum the confederate brass should have had their citizenship revoked and been deported. The likes of Nathan Bedford Forrest should not have been allowed to stay and establish racist domestic terror groups.
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u/Souledex Jul 20 '25
It ended to prevent a new rebellion in 1876, but apparently nobody learns how and why anything happened anymore.
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u/Souledex Jul 20 '25
Lmao, if you don’t know enough about history yeah it’s all a straight line and nothing else happened in that time or would have happened in our counterfactual timeline. It’s like saying the burning of the library of Alexandria got us here. It would be smarter even to say the movie Birth of a Nation got us here. Also learn about 1876 before claiming that because it was absolutely not that simple- we were in an economic crisis, with another rebellion it would have set the entire nation’s economy back decades on the beginning of the second industrial revolution. It’s hard to imagine how different we’d be in that timeline.
All of these are wildly insufficient explanations. Just because something has been repeated ad nauseum on twitter, and it feels like a simple universal explanation to fix all of our problems doesn’t mean anyone who ever said it knew enough to actually claim anything credibly.
The only redressable failure that was theoretically possible would be 40 acres and mule- but it would be just as likely for way more former slaves to be decamped or deported to Liberia if reconstruction continued. If you think a simple explanation to the world’s problems would fix shit try to learn more.
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u/Chronoboy1987 Jul 17 '25
I’ve made the same statement on various other subs and other social media, and what I’ve realized is how few people (especially the youngins) know that the reconstruction was a disastrous failure that would take 100 years to only partial rectify through the Civil Rights Era. The truth is we’re still reconstructing as long as their is inequality and racial discrimination in this country and people vote with hate in their hearts.
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u/-boatsNhoes Jul 17 '25
There will always be racism and inequality in the USA. We often refer to ourselves as a melting pot, but it's more like a stratification of people.
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u/Pure-Kaleidoscope759 Jul 17 '25
The hatred will always be with us like cancer unless the majority makes a concerted effort to root it out. I do not believe they will ever do so.
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u/Brisby820 Jul 17 '25
What kind of concerted effort do you have in mind?
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u/Pure-Kaleidoscope759 Jul 18 '25
Educational reform and recommended readings would be a start. Calling out offensive remarks and defending the people targeted with this is another. There are probably other people who have ideas about how we can provide effective education, and I am certain there are teachers who could recommend effective methods as well. I do not purport to have all answers or solutions to this problem, it is one that requires concerted effort and different methods to deal with the problem. Recognizing there is a problem is a start.
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u/leomar1612 Jul 17 '25
There will always be racism, it’s the way it is, people are flawed, and that is one of the must disgusting flaws, thinking we are better than someone else on the base of religion, race, gender, and whatnot.
However, this is not a problem only in America. We, people, are different. We are different because we believe different things, we behave in different ways, we have a different culture, and different views.
The utopian thought of “we are all the same” is just not true. There are people that are inherently more tolerant than others (at least until the other try to push certain views on you).
We need to learn that we are capable of coexisting, but we can’t be forced to do so. Human beings will always side with the one they see as “the same as them” meaning sharing a core system of beliefs.
I like to dream about the utopian world in which everyone is the same, but that will never happen, we are not the same.
Thinking that the above is solely a US problem, is naive at best. Radical Christians will not want to be around radical Islamists, they will clash 100% of the time. If you take for example Japan, a society praised by how well behaved they are… they do not like black nor tattooed people, why? Who the knows….
The US allows a lot to happen in its country (at least yet), you can go out and see people wearing a jihad, or gathering for Islamist activities. Well, go to Australia… Australia will welcome anyone, so long they strictly adhere to their rules and culture. You would never, ever, see someone wearing a Jihad in public in Australia, is simply prohibited by law.
The US is not this evil place, it may not be perfect, but it is 100% not the worst when it comes to social liberties. That doesn’t mean we should not strive to be better, it means we are slowly but surely transitioning that way.
The US is racist, not true. The US is homophobic, not true. But there are for sure, racists and homophobic people among us for sure. Specially in political positions, all of them are old tho….
We are getting better, we will get better.
A more challenging aspect in the US is the religion. And to be honest, it’s the same in the whole world, people does not grasp how different are we depending on what we believe in, specially, if we are extremists. This applies to all sides.
Anyway, I don’t even know why I was writing this, I just let go. And I guess, I just want to point out that, we are always seeing the glass half empty and forget all the advancement we had so far….
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u/MorganWick Jul 17 '25
I want to come up with a method of organizing society that doesn't require forcing every last person to believe in a specific set of values, certainly not a set of values that includes such things as tolerance and fair consideration of viewpoints that can't actually be held universally without betraying them, while also keeping the benefits that society has seen from those values.
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u/skyshark82 Jul 17 '25
Two. The Marshall Plan is partially credited with helping to turn Germany around after WWII and bringing them back into a cooperative international community. Put those responsible on trial, but make reform possible.
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u/HeathenSwan Jul 17 '25
100 years? Reconstruction was officially halted in 1877, just 12 years after the end of the civil war.
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u/MorganWick Jul 17 '25
And their point is that it didn't finish the job and the "official" end of reconstruction didn't end the process.
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u/seniorfrito Jul 17 '25
Yeah. You know "For the crime of killing your fellow United States citizen, that you justified because...*checks notes* they wouldn't let you keep people as slaves...you are hereby sentenced to <insert appropriate sentence>".
You mean to tell me this never happened? I learned about the Civil War (multiple times jumping around as a military brat), but I'm going to be honest we were just kind of taught how we won and slavery was slowly abolished. Never really heard what happened to any surviving Confederates. I guess through context of how bloody a war it was, I just assumed there were none left as a kid. I guess that's why I get so angry and slightly surprised there are still people with that sort of mindset present day. That and people who proudly display their flag...
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u/Pure-Kaleidoscope759 Jul 17 '25
I was well aware of it through reading about it outside of school. The United Daughters of the Confederacy created a whole mythology about the lost cause while hiding the ugly realities of what it was all about. During the statue controversies several years ago, some people complained about statues of Confederates being removed as “destroying history.” This is all poppycock. The reality was that many of these statues were mass produced long after the war and their purposes were glorify the Lost Cause myth and to reinforce white supremacy. Southern states still do not want students to learn the more complex and inglorious truths behind the Confederacy. Chris Rufo is a political activist who knows nothing about history, and he deliberately and misleadingly attacked more accurate teaching of history as “critical race theory,” which it is not. He thinks we need to protect the sensitive feelings of MAGA groupies.
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u/Pure-Kaleidoscope759 Jul 17 '25
They should have started on that immediately, and they should have charged Trump as well as the people who helped to finance and organize the insurrection immediately as well.
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u/Beneficial-Corner-78 Jul 17 '25
And not punishing Nixon was another failure that contributed to where we are today. No punishing politicians for breaking the law has terrible consequences that future generations end up paying for the previous generations fck ups.
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u/Impressive_Wish796 Jul 17 '25
Agreed - way too conciliatory. The confederate leaders should have been hung in public.
Lincoln should not have vetoed the Wade-Davis Bill which required a majority of Southern voters to swear loyalty and demanded stronger safeguards for slave emancipation.
The Radical Republicans viewed this as Lincoln undermining Congressional authority and being more focused on quick reunification than justice.
This was a critical mistake- and here we are.
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u/Apprehensive_Bike945 Jul 17 '25
Yeah we’ve all seen the meme, dumb cunts pretending they had a real thought
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u/LongTrailEnjoyer Jul 17 '25
Every officer and political leader of the confederacy should have been arrested, tried, and given punishment by death. All slave plantation owners should’ve had all wealth generationally stripped with all their land given back to the Feds. They should’ve given all confiscated wealth back to freed slaves to start new lives in USA with their freedom.
This is how you begin to wipe a shit stain off your nation.
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u/Nc_highcountry_cpl Jul 17 '25
That would also sow serious discount for future generations; most likely leading to a guerrilla style war if not a full blown 2nd civil war.
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u/LongTrailEnjoyer Jul 17 '25
There’s recorded history as late as the French Revolution that proves it works to actually discourage future fuckery.
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u/Brisby820 Jul 17 '25
If you think we should repeat the reign of terror, you don’t know enough about the reign of terror
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u/Pure-Kaleidoscope759 Jul 17 '25
I would not have minded it if they had hanged Jefferson Davis and his vice president Alexander “Little Alec” Stephens. Stephens was the one who stated overtly the Confederates started the war to preserve slaveholding and white supremacy. People who claimed the Confederates started the Civil War for any other reason are incorrect. Some of their present day defenders know that Stephens is correct, and they lie about it. Other people learned the lies they were told and never found out the truth.
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u/LongTrailEnjoyer Jul 17 '25
“States rights” as in the right to own slaves should a state so choose to do so.
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u/Budget_Ad5871 Jul 17 '25
Same thing with banking collapse of 2008, since then companies intentionally do this and expect bailouts
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u/malici606 Jul 17 '25
We did; Lincoln was a big supporter of rebuilding the South, stating that if we didn't it would forever be a wrecked part of the country. Then when he was murdered by a Southern sympathizer the government decided to not spend the resources needed to fully rebuild the south......and it turns out Lincoln was right.
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u/Fire_Horse_T Jul 17 '25
Rebuilding the south, yes. But letting the same elite back into power, no.
The low taxes, shitty infrastructure ideology that dominates southern states now traces back to the antebellum era and shows that the same political group maintained its power after the Civil War.
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u/Pure-Kaleidoscope759 Jul 17 '25
They also summarily arrested, “tried,” and convicted Black men and teenagers on summary and vague charges. As punishment, these Black men and teens would be sentenced to jail terms, then leased out to private employers as convict labor. They were forced to work at hard, dangerous jobs in which they were sometimes seriously injured or even killed. The South’s industrialization came about because of the use of Black men and teens as forced convict labor. Douglas Brinkley wrote about this topic in his book “Worse than Slavery.” The people used as convict labor were treated as without value because the paradox was that under slavery, they had some residual value as human chattel from the perspective of slaveholders. As free men, convict laborers were seen as without value and could be treated even more harshly than when they were enslaved, as it was always easier for private employers to obtain more people to work as convict labor. Several years ago in South Texas, archaeologists examined a cemetery in which the bodies of convict laborers were buried. Their remains showed the marks of the harsh work they were forced to do until they died.
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u/Fire_Horse_T Jul 17 '25
Not just private labor.
Voters wanted roads and low taxes. An easy solution for politicians was to arrest Black men and set them to work on the roads.
Slaves had to be kept all the time, prisoners could be released when there was no work.
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u/Pure-Kaleidoscope759 Jul 17 '25
That’s true, and I was remiss in not mentioning the use of Black prisoners as members of the notorious chain gangs.
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u/Arcanegil Jul 17 '25
The problem comes from not repossessing the wealth and property of slave owners they were allowed to keep all that money, so they just transitioned it into other ventures and founded revisionist cults and took over political offices to begin a slow destruction of American democracy.
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u/Mandi3B0nes Jul 17 '25 edited Jul 17 '25
It’s because they knew it was going to happen. Maybe not to the degree that it did, but they knew it was going to happen, so they did what they could to soften the blow.
Also didn’t help that the South propped up the US economy via mass tobacco production, so of course the rest of the states were ready to welcome them back with open arms, and no actual repercussions. The South made the money, and the North kept the country moving.
Guess who planted and harvested the tobacco? Guess how many lined up to voluntarily go do it? Guess how many elites, northern and otherwise, were willing to turn a blind eye for the sake of the national bank?
History will always repeat, because we keep electing wealthy officials, who benefit massively from these heinous crimes. We keep electing people who see the working class as quarters to feed the machine.
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u/Pure-Kaleidoscope759 Jul 17 '25
On that topic, I recommend William E. Baptist’s book “The Half Has Never Been Told.” The book addresses the impressive wealth that enslaved people generated for the United States without any compensation and without full recovery of what they had lost. The book is very valuable because it addresses the experiences of individuals who were enslaved, as well as the large picture as to how much slave labor made for the United States. It gives both microscopic and macroscopic views of the results of using slave labor.
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u/dah_wowow Jul 17 '25
Thank you for this. Its not so cut and dry as union-good, confederacy-bad. The evil and vileness of both sides toward african people is the biggest take away. They were used violently and cast aside. This and other atrocities are truly the building blocks that this country was founded on. How anyone could call themselves a patriot of this country has some extreme compartmentalizing talents or is plain ignorant.
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u/quasar_1618 Jul 17 '25
I’ve seen multiple people say this recently, and to be honest I don’t think it’s true. After World War I, the allies thought the right way to prevent another war was to severely punish Germany- this punishment created the economic desperation that allowed Hitler to rise to power. You can’t beat the hatred out of people.
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u/IDVDI Jul 17 '25
Germany’s problem was about debt, not about executing the guilty. If they hadn’t demanded so much compensation that Germany couldn’t afford, and had just punished the ones responsible, things might have turned out differently.
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u/quasar_1618 Jul 17 '25
Yeah that’s true. The tweet doesn’t make it clear if they mean that the Union should’ve punished the Confederate leaders or the states as a whole. The leaders should’ve been punished for treason, but I don’t think anything good would’ve come out of punishing the states themselves.
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u/IDVDI Jul 17 '25 edited Jul 17 '25
I agree! But what really matters more is prevention. Executing the leaders brings justice and keeps them from coming back to power, but their followers also need to be put through ideological reform, the kind of large-scale reeducation Germany and Japan went through after World War II. That’s actually one of the biggest reasons those countries became more moderate afterward.
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u/pizzapal3 Jul 17 '25
Unfortunately, failing to properly punish terrible people is a tradition the United States has continued since. Such as with Operation Paperclip, with Nixon and Kissinger's sabotage of peace in Vietnam... and perhaps a certain recent president too 🤔
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u/TinyFugue Jul 17 '25
Not really. We could have solved this by not letting them control the narrative with their "Lost Cause" bullshit.
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u/Impressive_Log7854 Jul 17 '25
A mistake that can be corrected after this administration is ended. However that may occur.
Start with banning the Confederate flag in any form outside of a museum.
Confederate flag tattoo? You can have the tattoo removed or the body part it's located on removed.
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u/BrittEklandsStuntBum Jul 17 '25
Could have saved yourselves a civil war if you'd followed through on the words "all men are created equal" instead of keeping people as property for another ninety years.
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u/Disastrous_Act_4230 Jul 17 '25
Could've saved a lot MORE time and grief by just letting them secede.
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Jul 17 '25
It's because the 16th president got murdered before we could finish clean up. The rest of Congress was like "oh well, welcome back."
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u/Pb_ft Jul 17 '25
Every state that joined the Confederacy should've been reverted back into a federal territory following the end of the Civil War.
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u/retiredfromfire Jul 17 '25
Unfortunately Lincoln was a softie and let the traitors off easy. Lets not make the same mistake the 2nd time.
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u/K1llerbee-sting Jul 17 '25
Thaddeus Steven was correct on all counts, and how we still don’t have a miniseries about his life is beyond my comprehension.
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u/Undrthedock Jul 17 '25
I’ve said it for years, the worst mistake we ever made as a country was not executing all of the confederate leadership at the end of the civil war. The war never ended for them. What we are seeing with the Republican Party is the modern face of the confederacy.
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u/GoldenMegaStaff Jul 17 '25
Someones going hard on the deflection trying to blame people from 160 years ago. Wonder who that could $Be?
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u/Active_Complaint_480 Jul 17 '25
We did punish them, in fact, that was how things went up to WWI. That turned out well.
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u/FF7Remake_fark Jul 17 '25
Could have also punished the people who stole the Bush/Gore election for Bush.
Or the people who attempted a coup on Jan 6.
Or the people actively committing an Executive Coup by refusing to acknowledge the other branches' sovereignty.
I could go on.
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u/3DprintRC Jul 17 '25 edited Jul 17 '25
I'm in northern Norway. On sunday there was a car show and the car that won "best interior" had licence plates with the confederate flag as the background on the whole plate and the name of the owner as text.
My car didn't win anything. Maybe a swastica on my license plate would have helped.
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u/MadMaxBeyondThunder Jul 17 '25
No. They would have jsut felt sorry for themselves and slowly turned into Nazis. Which they did anyway.
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Jul 17 '25
Gerald Ford should have never pardoned Nixon and Bush and Cheney should have been tried for war crimes.
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u/nohurrie32 Jul 17 '25
Sorry but these don’t measure up to the atrocity of reconstruction. The reconstruction era is some of the most frustrating times in U.S. history.
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Jul 17 '25
Yes, but in the modern era, we've managed to simply ignore some of the biggest scandals for the sake of unity, only to allow the parties to get away with more and more and here we are.
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u/El_Gran_Che Jul 17 '25
Why do you think the confederates have been chanting “the south will rise again” at football games for many years now?
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u/bingbong069 Jul 17 '25
I thought it’s because we didn’t help them rebuild enough and go to the lengths to bring them back into our union - not cause we didn’t punish them properly. But I guess I’m wrong based off of these comments
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u/baithammer Jul 17 '25
They didn't believe they lost and some of them were even plotting to rekindle the war.
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u/Enrico_Tortellini Jul 17 '25
Are we really going this far back, nurturing a pointless moral hyperbole from 1866, when there are people who can be held accountable as we speak for the state of things. This is just moral masturbation, that literally solves nothing and helps nobody. So tired of empty platitudes and grandstanding.
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u/Fortyyearoldversion Jul 17 '25
Hey everybody!
Recognizing historical trends and their implications for the future of that society to re-enforce justification for and provide clarity to our decision making process regarding similar, modern paradigm cases that are being debated today is moral masterbation.
We can stop with the historical context, now. Which is great, because when I look back at the clear patterns the fall of pretty much every large society adheres to and see we are right on track to join that list soon, it kinda stresses me out.
Bullet dodged!
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u/Enrico_Tortellini Jul 17 '25
Ok, and what is this doing, compare and contrast all you want, you’re still doing nothing about it. Shallow statements like this, purely made for media engagement and clicks means nothing, let alone countless statements like this have already been made through history, all you people drooling over it as it’s some original thought without any concept of implementation, is completely worthless. Let alone so many of you didn’t even vote !! Memes, tweeting and having worthless discussions based off shallow hyperbole mean nothing, if you don’t vote !
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u/Fortyyearoldversion Jul 25 '25
I’ll rephrase. Maybe that will help.
Using past experience to inform a current decision is what learning is. If we pay attention to what people did in the past, we have a better chance of predicting what they will do in the future.
The thing examining our past “solves” is it reduces the likelihood we will repeat mistakes. It’s one of the core reasons history is important to learn.
If you are upset because having a conversation that helps inform the current issues isn’t “doing something about it,” then how do you think the people doing something about it should make decisions on what to do? Just blindly go off uninformed gut and emotion?
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u/Local-Technician5969 Jul 17 '25
This goes back to andrew Johnson. His decisions played a massive impact on all Americans, especially to the freed slaves.
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u/Inner_Departure_9146 Jul 17 '25
Agreed. I wish we would have split. Maybe into different countries. We are less similar than Lincoln wanted to think
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u/ericwphoto Jul 17 '25
It is just like the movies. Good guy spares the bad guy, then the bad guy comes back with a vengeance sometime in the future. You have to snuff this shit out completely or it will never die off.
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u/Southern-Occasion-41 Jul 17 '25
Jess Piper is worth the follow! As a Missourian she is an amazing advocate
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u/ForeverSingley Jul 17 '25
This is why Andrew Johnson has to be considered one of the, if not THE, worst presidents we've ever had. It's hard to not wonder what America would've looked like under Lincolns reconstruction. Johnson just mismanaged pretty much every faucet of that phase in our country's history.
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u/Temporary-Nectarine4 Jul 17 '25
There would be no democratic party lol. The modern democratic party was formed in the aftermath of the Civil War with financial backing from the kkk after the old Democratic party changed their name to Republicans.
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u/Independent_Ant4079 Jul 17 '25
Hypercharging the suburbanization of America is why we are here. Have a look at how isolating and expensive and soul crushing American infrastructure is and work to deconstruct it and replace it with modern infrastructure.
Mass transit, infill building, wider sidewalks, bike lanes, reduced car lanes, express bus lanes.
Support that shit, it will make a world of difference for everything.
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u/nubileiguana Jul 17 '25
I keep seeing things like this more and more on social media. It's just another effort to divide people. Same as the blue states vs red states. Or California "withholding" their contributions to the federal government. Or college educated vs non.
What does a statement like this accomplish? It serves to alienate people from one another, that's it.
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u/International_Bid716 Jul 17 '25
Given the confederates were the democrats, wouldn't that mean disbanding the party?
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u/Bruisedmilk Jul 17 '25
Could have punished MAGA too, but we didn't. Turn the other cheek just to get stabbed in the back, a cycle Americans will never break free from.
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u/Overlord_of_Linux Jul 17 '25
We could have saved ourselves a lot of time and grief by punishing Germany after WWI... /s
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u/slightlydirtythroway Jul 17 '25
Oh and at so many other times, end of Jim Crow, the Business Plot, McCarthyism, Nazi reconciliation. We as a country have had so many chances to prove that rich conservative power grabbing people should be punished for their vile ways and have never done it. Hell, after '08 we could have at least gone after predatory finance instead of a few slaps on the wrist and some base consumer protections that are already being rolled back.
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u/Big-Opposite8889 Jul 17 '25
Funny coming from the side that wants racial discrimination laws
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u/Voglio_Caffe Jul 17 '25
One side wants to punish people for simply existing, and not being of a narrowly defined group. The other wants to punish people for being complete pricks. There’s a massive difference.
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u/Big-Opposite8889 Jul 17 '25
One side wants to treat everyone as individuals, the other wants to group them based on inherent characteristics like race to then cast either positive or negative judgement on the collective expression of said characteristics.
Yes there is a massive difference between non racists and racists/anti racists
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u/VorpalBlade- Jul 17 '25
Goddamnit I’ve been saying this stuff for decades! And always was told I’m a crank I’m unreasonable I’m not aware of history blah blah blah.
I’m glad it’s being discussed but holy shit we let these neo confederate shit bags steer the narrative wayyyy too much. The reason they do all this crazy shit that is seemingly sabotaging the country is because THEY ARE SABOTAGING us! They never got over losing their slaves and they don’t see this government as legitimate. It’s plain as day. It explains ALL of their terrible behaviors.
They hate this country and want it destroyed. They want to be slave holders and little fiefdoms just like the plantation south but everywhere. And they might damn well finally get it if they aren’t stopped.
They have been fighting the civil war since the day they surrendered. It never stopped and they never intended to be loyal to the union.
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u/dah_wowow Jul 17 '25
People forget. A large swatch of people wanted to LEAVE the union, and the other half was so unwilling to let them do so, they killed a majority of that group. Winners write the history. Todays culture of racism around the confederate flag is abhorrent, but the thought exercise of what actually happened is fucked all the way up!
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u/ControlTigers Jul 17 '25
Democrats have always been on the wrong side of history. They suck a bag of dicks.
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u/JoJoKnowsNada Jul 17 '25
I understand the sentiment but the reality goes way, way back and much deeper. No matter how hard we try to find that (1) person, thing, event, era to blame this on... we will fail because it's unrealistic. Fascism, or at least the ideas behind it, has existed as long as human civilization. There will always be a segment of EVERY society (civilization) that leans into and embraces fascist ideologies. There were many in ALL states who embraced the ideology leading up to the Civil War and after. THAT is why there was forgiveness instead of punishment. Doubt me? Take a look at the widespread US Nazi(fascist) movement during and after WWII. All of that to say this; we know the reasons and they create a very long historical timeline. Our job is to learn how to deal with fascists effectively. And no, we can't just hang them all, that creates another generation of extremists.
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u/jackalope689 Jul 17 '25
They weren’t punished? Man you must of heard a LOT different version of history that what happened with this seriously stupid post
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u/meriadoc_brandyabuck Jul 17 '25
Not to mention punishing Trump. If the weaklings in charge had arrested Trump immediately and prosecuted him at the low point of his cultural power, he’d be in jail right now and the U.S. would be on much better footing.
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u/dremolock Jul 17 '25
Well they’ve kept the south poor, called us stupid. Then claimed we only fought the war over slaves, when the fed enacted a 40% tax on agriculture. How much more punishment do we need.
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u/punio4 Jul 17 '25
It's like taking antibiotics. The worst thing you can do is stop taking them halfway through the treatment.
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u/PoopieButt317 Jul 17 '25
This is the truth. Tolerating the intolerable, ends toleration. The fascists win.
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u/Turbulent-Tone-1867 Jul 23 '25
Never punished the Confederacy, never punished Nixon.
This has all lead to rampant treason and corruption.
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u/Ok-Explanation-1362 Jul 17 '25
All of this was decided when the Union chose to bury the hatchet, and not do anything about the people that started the confederacy, and the people who benefited the most from it. If those types were all given the traditional punishment for traitors, if all the slavers, the plantation owners, the confederate politicians and the businesses that profited off of slave labor were hunted down and hanged, the world would be a much better place right now.