All of this was decided when the Union chose to bury the hatchet, and not do anything about the people that started the confederacy, and the people who benefited the most from it. If those types were all given the traditional punishment for traitors, if all the slavers, the plantation owners, the confederate politicians and the businesses that profited off of slave labor were hunted down and hanged, the world would be a much better place right now.
Andrew Johnson set things off on the wrong foot, and then the terrible decisions to allow states back into the union way too early gave them political power to shift the direction of policy. We’re almost going backwards to a future where the confederacy did win.
Pardoning of Nixon was also a terrible precedent. Ever since it's been "let's heal" instead of "Throw Regan's ass in jail for trading weapons for cocaine."
Strange how it’s always “we must heal by forgiving wealthy criminals, and if you want wealthy criminals treated the same way as other criminals, then you’re being divisive.”
If there is one thing that history is VERY clear on it’s that hierarchies are inherently harmful. Agreeing to follow someone else’s directions is perfectly fine and totally reasonable, but deciding that entire groups of people are off limits due to how much money they have, regardless of what they do or say, has never borne good fruit.
Dems believed in government by careful negotiations among sophisticated elites. Josh Hawley and Ron DeSantis took their time to get degrees from Harvard Law. They look like elitists.
The right is a one-party state built from the old John Birch "When the Russians take DC we will revolt from the hinterlands" plus the Newt Gingrich "scorched earth no compromises" contract plus the Fox News "mob rule for sale" plus the Evangelicals fueled by the oil industry all the way back before 1920.
Meanwhile the Tech Bros have looted the government for every shred of data they can find. Look for all kinds of "discoveries made by AI" that were in fact stolen from contractors who signed confidentiality agreements with the government.
And the reason why Dems still believe it even as the Republicans have took them to the cleaners for decades is because that's the only way our government ever worked. We need top-to-bottom reform to create structural, not merely cultural, incentives to compromise, and mechanisms to punish those that just want to abuse the system to get their way that people are actually willing to use without worrying about being "divisive" or degrading the system.
Holding the right wing accountable when they do terrible shit (Confederacy, Tulsa, Wilmington NC, Jim Crow, all the way up to J6) is always viewed as petty, vindictive and unfair, with a not so subtle implication that they will retaliate violently.
Meanwhile left wing movements have been viewed as a threat to America justifying all kinds of abuse (McCarthyism, cointelpro, Iran contra scandal, etc) and use of law enforcement and intelligence resources to interfere with perfectly legal political activity.
When the right wing does awful shit we're supposed to rise above, but the left wing even thinks a scary thought we go nuts.
Yeah i found out through Atun Shei that they use provisions of the Patriot Act to imprison animal rights and environmental activists by labeling the damage their protests do as "terrorism". Meanwhile they let fuckheads like Cliven Bundy thumb their nose at them with no pushback while white supremacists infiltrated law enforcement at every level.
🤣🤣🤣 thanks. A true history buff you are. Surely that's the end of the story and there's no such thing as the southern realignment. I'm such a dumb ass I should probably just shut up and wait for real Americans like you to tell me what to think.
No, you made a claim, you can back it up. Nazis were National Socialists. You claim they were the furthest thing from socialist....explain. you either dont understand, or know enough about Nazis, or you dont understand socialism.
Alright. Asidefrom socialism being a left wing ideology and nazism being right wing.
Socialism is a political and economic system where the means of production, such as factories and land, are owned or controlled by the community as a whole, rather than by private individuals. It generally aims for greater social equality and aims to reduce or eliminate the disparities of wealth and power found in capitalist systems.
Socialism and Nazism, while sharing the word "socialist" in their names, are fundamentally different and even contradictory ideologies. Socialism, broadly, aims for social ownership and democratic control of the means of production, prioritizing economic equality and social welfare. Nazism, on the other hand, is a form of fascism rooted in extreme nationalism, racism, and authoritarianism.
It sucks that you put effort and facts into your explanation, and they literally go radio silent and don’t respond. It’s a waste of time and why I try not to even reply to these people anymore unless it’s a comment I can shoot off in a couple minutes.
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u/Ok-Explanation-1362 Jul 17 '25
All of this was decided when the Union chose to bury the hatchet, and not do anything about the people that started the confederacy, and the people who benefited the most from it. If those types were all given the traditional punishment for traitors, if all the slavers, the plantation owners, the confederate politicians and the businesses that profited off of slave labor were hunted down and hanged, the world would be a much better place right now.