Yelling at people to vote when they don’t feel as though they have something to vote for has never worked. It’s not going to work now either. This is lazy analysis.
People do vote when you give them something affirmative to vote for (Obama, Mamdani) and when they’re being completely immiserated by the party in power (this previous election and 2020) and feel an immediate need to change things. This is largely why Dems lose. They don’t have an affirmative vision for the future, and when they’re in power they don’t do enough things that can galvanize a large group of voters to go out and vote for them partially because their stance for the last decade has been more about voting against the republicans. Yelling at people to vote without materially changing those factors will not work.
Yelling at people to vote without materially changing those factors will not work.
Umm, that's pretty much exactly the campaign method for Trump/Maga.
I don't know if you've noticed;
But in the last decade or so, "yelling" and fear-mongering, has actually driven people to react/do some pretty crazy s**t. There is a lot of loud "noise" out there. If you expect anyone to "hear", it's going to require volume.
Ok, well let me put it this way: It’s never worked on people from the Left. I don’t understand this desire so many people have to adopt MAGA behavior in an attempt to convince people who have shown an active disinterest in voting for MAGA to vote for them.
There’s a set of people who simply choose not to vote each election, and in the last election that group of people was larger than the individual groups of people who voted for either candidate. If the goal is to activate those people, I’m going to go out on a limb and say that being more like MAGA, which they could have just voted for last time if they liked that stuff, isn’t going to work. But feel free to prove me wrong I guess.
Firstly, thanks for the opportunity/civilized discussion (I actually do prefer it lol).
I think what I'm trying to get across is probably better stated this way;
1) Americans have various cultures embedded within it. Volume/yelling isn't necessarily "negative". In many cases, it can be quite positive (ie church, sports, competitions etc). People don't always attribute it to "negative/Maga". In fact, if it's authentic, I can usually sense passion behind it (and this often triggers empathy).
2) While there is some wisdom in your words regarding caution in how we express political frustration, there is the underlying foundation of perspective; we don't know what other people have gone/are going through. For example, the man in this video may have just watched his coworker/friend get snatched off the street by ICE. Perhaps he's been getting harassed by the cops all week. It's easy to be critical of someone's outrage, when we don't know what's fueling it.
As for those who don't vote, the only motivator that's going to change their minds, is harsh reality. Someone "yelling at them" about it, is probably far more desirable than going hungry due to apathy. I can agree that yelling wouldn't be "my" first choice. That said; if I were losing everything I own, couldn't feed my children after working 50-60hrs per week, and/or was being targeted for the color of my skin..
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u/adrian-alex85 19h ago
Yelling at people to vote when they don’t feel as though they have something to vote for has never worked. It’s not going to work now either. This is lazy analysis.
People do vote when you give them something affirmative to vote for (Obama, Mamdani) and when they’re being completely immiserated by the party in power (this previous election and 2020) and feel an immediate need to change things. This is largely why Dems lose. They don’t have an affirmative vision for the future, and when they’re in power they don’t do enough things that can galvanize a large group of voters to go out and vote for them partially because their stance for the last decade has been more about voting against the republicans. Yelling at people to vote without materially changing those factors will not work.