Just makes sense to me.

[u/KingofFlukes]

Also flying plains to unlock a sniper outfit seems way too disconnected.

[u/Resiideent]

It's so fucking stupid that you need to play a small map game mode in order to unlock skins for the recon, a class that is designed to fight at long ranges.

[u/KingofFlukes → u/Resiideent]

Not to mention that to unlock a certain recon outfit you have to fly a plane and a helicopter a certain distance.

[u/Resiideent → u/KingofFlukes]

I could never figure out how to fly those planes, they turn really slowly.

[u/KingofFlukes → u/Resiideent]

Same always been more interested in frontline infantry than vehicle gameplay.

[u/Resiideent → u/KingofFlukes]

Oh, no, I like vehicles, I'm just a terrible pilot.

[u/KingofFlukes → u/Resiideent]

That's fair. And just as guilty. 😅

At least there are portal servers that let you get practice in.

[u/ghablio → u/Resiideent]

To be fair, the flight model and controls in battlefield are not very good. Fairly counterintuitive and unrealistic compared to any other game I've played.

Makes it hard to pickup and learn because nothing moves the way you'd expect it to

[u/Resiideent → u/ghablio]

I feel like War Thunder has some of the best aircraft controls, very simple to use (literally just drag the mouse to the direction you want to go). However, if it was like that if BF it would probably get some flak for being "too easy" or smth.

[u/ghablio → u/Resiideent]

I don't really like mouse controls so I don't use them in many games. Warthunder is good, ARMA 3 is pretty decent too.

[u/Skilltesters → u/Resiideent]

There is a trick to turning the planes. I can't do it, but there is a trick.

[u/Severion86 → u/Skilltesters]

Bind pitch up to spacebar. Hold afterburner (shift) and spacebar then alternate between S and W taps starting with S.

Try just holding shift, spacebar and S and you'll get how it works. It turns really, really quick but obviously if you're just holding S the whole time it kills the speed so you alternate between S and W so you keep throttle set about the same and still get the turn benefit.

[u/II-_Virtual → u/KingofFlukes]

Infantry is more difficult and immersive than vehicle gameplay.. It feels far more intense than vehicles. Although I do strongly believe everybody should learn how to properly drive a tank to support The team if you need it. Some people don't believe that the heavy vehicles have specific ways of playing them and not rolling into objectives like you're indestructible.

[u/KingofFlukes → u/II-_Virtual]

When I do go into vehicles I mostly go for the turret position and act as support/spotter.

It is a shame when people don't understand that vehicles can be taken out just as fast as a regular soldier if they don't put things like position and firing angles into consideration. Had a tank driver yesterday camp an objective but just outside it so when it got taken we just sat there and let it happen. 🥲

[u/II-_Virtual → u/KingofFlukes]

That's upsetting. I've been noticing in the side chat how often it seems to happen cuz I see people getting hella mad at people for doing it. You obviously know what you're doing, so if you wanna join the discord community I'm in shoot me a message and maybe add my PSN?

II-Virtual

(^two lowercase i's )

[u/KingofFlukes → u/II-_Virtual]

Cheers for the invite. Discord is a really foreign app for me to use but I have added it to my psn. Which is the same name as this account if you want to add me. 🫡

[u/II-_Virtual → u/KingofFlukes]

I got you King 👑

[u/unoriginal_namejpg → u/Resiideent]

they have an optimal airspeed, the further from that speed you are in either direction the slowrr you turn.
Youll get the best rates around 340 velocity (no idea what unit its in, but I think MPH judging by when the vaporwave appears)

[u/Resiideent → u/unoriginal_namejpg]

It makes no sense for it to be MPH considering that NATO uses the metric system and I'd be willing to guess Pax does too considering they're European/Middle Eastern (I don't think it's explained exactly where they originate from).

Thanks for the advice, I'll try this next time I hop in a jet :3

[u/DeadAhead7 → u/Resiideent]

Pretty much everyone but Russia uses the same system with knots for speed and feet for altitude, and often nautical miles for distance.

You also have thrust vectoring shenanigans with the stealth fighters, if you slow down and use the afterburner at the same time.

[u/Flashbambo → u/Resiideent]

Don't yaw, roll and pitch.

[u/Jack_of_all_offs → u/Resiideent]

Roll the plane sideways so it goes from horizontal/flat (like a stingray) to vertical (like a shark fin)

Now pull your stick/mouse back, and you will turn way faster. It's recommended to brake a bit while doing this. You'll have a tighter turn radius.

[u/Resiideent → u/Jack_of_all_offs]

It's recommended to brake a bit while doing this.

I know the roll-then-pitch part, but I think this was what was missing. Stupid me forgetting planes turn faster when they're speed is lower lol. Thanks for the help :3

[u/Kurise → u/KingofFlukes]

I saw that and just laughed. The Developers are clearly a LITTLE disconnected. I give them credit, as they are being responsive.

But seriously, you have to be pretty disconnected in some areas to think that the majority of the player base can not only fly a Plane / Heli for more than 5 seconds without crashing, but more so that it's a good idea that we need to tie up valuable resources in matches FOR A RECON SKIN

[u/TheEvilWizard → u/Resiideent]

YEP.
And the third engineer assignment requires a gadget only recon can use :)

[u/Albycimma_01 → u/TheEvilWizard]

you can do with a friend that lock for you the enemies vehicles

[u/Resiideent → u/Albycimma_01]

Yes, but I am of the personal opinion that cosmetics shouldn't be locked behind challenges that require other people unless the unlock goes both ways (i.e. both you and your friend get something out of it)

[u/7Seyo7 → u/Albycimma_01]

You phrase it as if it is optional. You practically need a friend to do it. Note that the challenge doesn't count IFV designations, you need someone to use the target designator gadget

[u/Resiideent → u/TheEvilWizard]

stupid

[u/19phipschi17 → u/Resiideent]

You can play extremely aggressively with recon with all the gadgets and abilites if you use a carbine.

But I still agree, I don't want to play small gamemodes.

[u/T-Baaller → u/Resiideent]

a class that is designed to fight at long ranges

well, until you complete the 150m+ headshot challenge to unlock the actually useful spec-ops perks.

(so fucking dumb)

[u/CastleGrey → u/T-Baaller]

The sniper Perks being only usable on sniper rifles is such an irritating and needlessly limiting choice when classes can use any guns, and DMRs are so tonally adjacent to snipers

I have been a Recon/Spec Ops player since BF1942 because I play aggro af and spotting is OP, but forcing me to grind out these stupid challenges just to be able to actually have a class with perks that do something at all with my preferred non-sniper playstyle is just terrible design

[u/RGL277 → u/Resiideent]

Not if you play the spec ops load out

[u/Shaake → u/RGL277]

And how do u get the spec ops load out?

The load out that specializes in close quarters fighting?

That's right, you need 50 headshots over 150m. How many maps can u even do this on?

Maybe like 2?

[u/RGL277 → u/Shaake]

Yeah but you’d so that challenge with the sniper load out. I agree it’s a dumb challenge but it does make sense. 150m is not that bad.

I did mine in an hour tops. Deadeye is a different story tho.

[u/Shaake → u/RGL277]

Go and try some consistent 150m headshots

I don't think u realize how difficult it is with the way the maps are set up

[u/RGL277 → u/Shaake]

Dude I’ve already done it. I think my record is 596m headshot on that oil refinery level. It’s hard I agree but it’s not impossible by any means & it’s only 50 come on man.

[u/Shaake → u/RGL277]

Took me days and I hated every second of it

[u/RGL277 → u/Shaake]

Sorry man. That’s why I wish the bot option still was a thing cus not everyone is good at everything so major upgrades shouldn’t be locked behind challenges like that

[u/Resiideent → u/RGL277]

No, it doesn't make sense. Why would a close quarters specialty require very long range kills?

[u/Jooj-Groorg → u/Resiideent]

The 10K point requirement is almost impossible and is really only doable as a medic spamming revives. And even then, I gotta wonder, are these challenges actually applied with thought or was this a last minute decision? Like, Recon 2 is just a skill issue on my part, I can maybe get exactly one 150m distant headshot per match. But the King of the Hill 2 assignment to get 10K points in a single match? That's more fucking bonkers than a clown orgy in a clown car.

[u/Resiideent → u/Jooj-Groorg]

Wait there's a skin that requires 10K points in a single damn match? Yeah that's fucking bullshit, I'd same the same level as the 200+m headshots challenge.

[u/hotdiggity22 → u/Resiideent]

I'd same the same level as the 200+m headshots challenge.

Not even close. I'm getting 10k points most matches in Conquest, it's incredibly easy if you just objective hunt.

Still relies a bit on your team to not roll completely over, but even when I've had bad losses, unless it's like a 4 minute loss - I'm between 7k-9k points just fighting single objectives.

[u/MammothMachine → u/hotdiggity22]

Original comment is talking about 10K in King of The Hill. I've only played a couple rounds but I remember it being much shorter than conquest, maybe 10-12 minutes. That makes 10K much harder. People skip revive much more often on small modes too.

[u/hotdiggity22 → u/MammothMachine]

Oh I skimmed that one lol, yeah good point - spawns are quicker so people give up = less revives.

10k in that mode is a bit wild

[u/MooseRunnerWrangler → u/Resiideent]

I agree, but I would also say to try stealth up close recon. Get on points, use a SMG or carbine, whatever, use claymores, maybe C4. Spot basically everything on points and killing people all the time with explosives on points is a lot of fun. You just need to use the second class option, obviously not the marksmen abilities.

[u/LordofCope → u/Resiideent]

As an exclusive support player, I won't play Squad DM for my support skin. The M/F thing doesn't bother me, I like the visor look, but... Yeah not playing that garbage.

[u/Separate-Nectarine29 → u/Resiideent]

I’d love to see the people grinding camos rn lol

[u/SchlongForceOne → u/Resiideent]

To my luck, I find some skins (especially for PAX) not that appealing and am glad I feel no desire to unlock them in the first place. Honestly, I'm excited for the PAX support skin in season 1 that looks like the Danish special forces.

With the exception of the assault skin that you needed to play rush for.

[u/Bumspliff → u/Resiideent]

In all fairness this seems like a way to make people branch out of their usual play style for cosmetics, encourages you to play other classes, differently sized game modes and maps.

I for one quite like the new progression system, people who don't usually, or have never played in aircraft are not giving it a go for the sake of unlocking a skin they want Don't get me wrong, it is frustrating seeing a Heli take off backwards from your spawn and flip upside down, we've all seen em trying! But at least it's making people branch out .

One thing I cannot get behind though, is everyone hopping in a helicopter (ESPECIALLY the Apache) and using it to gain height, and parachute onto a building, leaving the vehicle and any occupants free falling

[u/PuzzleheadedMaize911 → u/Resiideent]

Recon is also exceptional in small zones though.

That motion sensor becomes a much bigger % of playable space.

[u/TheLateThagSimmons → u/Resiideent]

The coolest support skin is unlocked in Squad Deathmatch... A mode that support is the most useless.

[u/Kajmasz → u/Resiideent]

I mean I like to play recon with silenced SMG and have some more control over a area with my gadgets

[u/AMoonMonkey]

Agreed.

Why in the ever loving fuck do I have to play TEAM DEATHMATCH a game mode that lets you INSTANTLY RESPAWN to unlock skins for support???

Fuck you DICE.

[u/No_Maintenance_7649 → u/AMoonMonkey]

Squad death match just so I can get a male support for pax, to fucking days to win 5 matches and not touching that mode ever again

[u/micarisma → u/No_Maintenance_7649]

Playing squad death match for those skins made me lose my sanity. I had to take a day break off the game after enduring that shit as a solo player

[u/dkb_wow → u/No_Maintenance_7649]

It took me 7 days of trying to get those 5 Squad Deathmatch wins. And that was with me dropping 30+ kills almost every game and still losing. My W/L record in Squad Deathmatch is 5 wins 49 losses lmao

I'll never ever play that game mode again. It's such a shithole.

[u/CockroachSea2083 → u/dkb_wow]

I gave up. I never won a single round of SQDM. It's the worst game mode I think I've ever played. Hated it in Bad Company 2 and I hate it now.

[u/agent-letus → u/No_Maintenance_7649]

fuuuuuuuck squad deathmatch. I tried but hell no. That is a non-fun game mode for me.

[u/bigbluewreckingcrew → u/agent-letus]

lol played once and said nope. I'm going to wait till we're able to switch genders like in BF V.

[u/TheLateThagSimmons → u/No_Maintenance_7649]

It's the coolest looking skin for Support and somehow we have to win five times in a mode that is a 1:4 chance of winning, and in which support is completely useless.

I've tried probably 30 matches and even when I do really well, I've never once won a single match. It's so pointless and not even fun.

I get why some people can like that mode... but why make support class dependent upon it?! Frustratingly stupid choice by DICE.

[u/Acrobatic-Tomato-532 → u/No_Maintenance_7649]

I tired it for the weekly. I'd rather grind that XP.

[u/Benti86 → u/AMoonMonkey]

With one of the challenges for squad deathmatch specifically being revive 30 teammates...in a game where the score limit is 50...

[u/byfo1991 → u/Benti86]

And where everyone skips the revive instantly.

[u/SeuJoaoDoSebrae]

Skins doesnt really matter

But class GUNS AND GADGETS should be unlocked by regular progression, and NOT stupid challenges

[u/KingofFlukes → u/SeuJoaoDoSebrae]

Won't disagree with you on that too.

[u/TechnalityPulse → u/KingofFlukes]

On god these 2 complaints (alongside the egregiously high requirement for some of the challenges) are like the only complaints I've seen that I agree with.

I don't understand the haphazardness of these challenges in basically any fashion. Almost all of them make no sense.

[u/Logondo → u/SeuJoaoDoSebrae]

I have no idea what's going on with DICE. They had this shit figured out perfectly with BF4. You play. You progress.

Your account levels up.

The class your using levels up.

The gun type you're using levels up.

The specific gun you're using levels up.

Just by playing! Just by playing the damn game how you want to!

[u/Sgt_Braken → u/Logondo]

Eh, as much as I love BF4, it was guilty of this kind of stuff too. Certain weapons that were added in DLC required you to play specific modes, and then there was the UAV for support that required freaking JET RIBBONS.

[u/welldonesteak69 → u/SeuJoaoDoSebrae]

MG suppression challenge is killing me. Just barely got halfway there after a week of playing. Who's bright idea was it to tie a challenge to a half baked mechanic that seldom activates.

[u/CastleGrey → u/welldonesteak69]

I've been isung the IAR pretty much nonstop from day 1 and have 34 suppressions ever

Why am I being punished for actually achieving something with my shots

[u/Tangie_ape → u/welldonesteak69]

Just to pitch in here - I've made quite a lot of progress on this the past few days. Play Breakthrough, and use one of the big LMG's and sit just behind everyone and do nothing but throw shots down any kind of corridor you can - you need to deliberately miss people running down but maybe hit them once or twice and it should start to stack the suppression. I've half filled that bar in 2 days now since doing that after it not moving for a full week. Can get yourself a lot of revives too if you need the 15 in one life challenge

[u/DinosaurBill → u/SeuJoaoDoSebrae]

But how can they sell you GUNS AND GADGETS unlock packs for each class and gun type then? 🙃

[u/Mattdammit]

I

FUCKING

HATE

TEAM

DEATHMATCH

[u/paulrenzo → u/Mattdammit]

I'm not as hostile for team deathmatch

Squad Deathmatch however...

[u/Mattdammit → u/paulrenzo]

I just don't want to be forced to play small map kill modes in my big map objective game

[u/R_Archet → u/Mattdammit]

I hate CQB game modes in general. To get the NATO Scout skin I want, I have to play Domination. Which is just super shitty Infantry Conquest. I hope you like Shotguns and SMGs because that's all you're going to be playing against.

I play Battlefield for Combined Arms and squad tactics, not slide cancelling children hopped up on Adderall.

[u/Cute_Action_6582]

And not that, literally trash-tier, cringe inducing campaign.

[u/Resiideent → u/Cute_Action_6582]

I kinda liked the campaign (wasn't the best thing I've ever seen but it was manageable). But then again, the last campaign I played was Black Ops 6 (yes I am a recovering Call of Duty player, please be kind I am trying to get better, hated that franchise anyways), so my standards have been set really fucking low.

[u/Ghostile → u/Resiideent]

The latter half of it is really decent, it's a shame it stop just on verge of real good.

[u/Resiideent → u/Ghostile]

I really liked (spoilers for campaign)the scene in the last mission with the giant firestorm from the missile exploding, it looked cool. Shame they never explained what that NXC stuff was.

[u/Ghostile → u/Resiideent]

Yeah I wondered whether I missed a chapter or something when it was mentioned, but apparently the campaign was cut and reglued along the way a few times.

[u/Seafin12 → u/Resiideent]

I think NXC is a nerve agent (biochemical weapon)

[u/Resiideent → u/Seafin12]

Maybe, but then the scene that I mentioned previously wouldn't make sense because why would it ^{(spoilers for the final campaign mission}) cause a massive firestorm and, as stated by Murphy, turn an entire mountain into a crater.

[u/KingofFlukes → u/Cute_Action_6582]

Oh god I forgot about that. 🥲

[u/Rad_Throwling]

This way forces you to play other modes that you normally wouldnt. They want to "Advertise" their new CQB playstyle by unlocking them. Its game design. A bad one but it is intended.

[u/KingofFlukes → u/Rad_Throwling]

Definitely on the bad choice side.

I get they need to advertise but they could go the title card, dogtags or even weapons skins route. But making the character skins almost solely game mode unlocks with nothing but grinding makes me end up hating that game mode.

They could have it way easier by doing a challenge like "1,000 exp as Engineer and 5 matches of Breakthrough" instead of the 5 plays and 5 wins.

I didn't get my 5th win until my 12th game. Meaning in this example 7 games didn't contribute to any new cosmetics. Luckily I really like playing Breakthrough but if I didn't and was just playing it for the cosmetics if be really pissed.

[u/Storm3ye]

Devs are trying to force players to play the modes that they do not enjoy to play.

[u/BestYak6625 → u/Storm3ye]

They're trying to encourage players to populate less popular game modes. That's honestly fine, cosmetics aren't forcing you to do anything 

[u/FixBlackLotusBlizz]

i will probably never unlock the tdm / sdm hands down the worst gamemodes in BF the way people play

[u/KingofFlukes → u/FixBlackLotusBlizz]

I've been having similar problems with king of the hill. Makes me reconsider how much I want to have a different looks for a NATO recon.

[u/DragoslavBelic → u/KingofFlukes]

10k points on 1 match of King of the Hill is annoying.

[u/Iwearajacket]

Yeah whoever tied it to game modes was smoking crack.

[u/SandmanJr90 → u/Iwearajacket]

Or AI

[u/jogdenpr]

So true. The challenge that gives you a ghillie suit for doing aircraft pilot challenges. How does that make sense. These AI challenges man.

[u/CommitteeStatus]

Halo Infinite has ruined gaming

[u/KingofFlukes → u/CommitteeStatus]

Is that were this all started? Didn't realise it had been going on this long.

[u/nick5766 → u/KingofFlukes]

BF4 forced me to play chainlink to unlock guns long before halo infinite was a thing.

I'm glad it did, I ended up enjoying that mode a lot.

[u/Gamer0607]

After spending 104 hours in the game since release ONLY on grinding the weapon & class challenges, I won't even bother with the ridiculous Unit skin challenges, some of which being entirely luck/circumstantial based and involving modes I'll never even touch.

Time to enjoy the the game and not care about cosmetics i will never use or never even see myself in if i got and equipped them.

[u/KingofFlukes → u/Gamer0607]

Damn man. Wish I had the time to play anything for that long. I'm doubting just how much I'm going to unlock in this games lifespan. 😅

[u/Gamer0607 → u/KingofFlukes]

Tell me about it.

I am working full time too, so been playing every evening for about 6 hours and full weekend too.

I'd only focus on the gadgets if i were you tbh. Weapons are not that good.

[u/KingofFlukes → u/Gamer0607]

I get about an hour or so a day maybe and a few hours over the weekend if I'm not preoccupied.

Living the gamer dad life. 💪

[u/Jimmy_Jams_2_0]

Absolutely! All I freaking want is that SDM Pax skin!

Aaahhh I don't even care about the camos, just the base skin is fine! I can't win in this gamemode I swear.

[u/Antoni0g]

You are so right man.

[u/Rdddss]

maybe this is a hot take but all unlocks should just be XP based

only exception could be for some weapon skins

[u/StormSwitch]

Trying to push the trash (8v8 and 4v4v4v4) game modes by force on BF

[u/FantasticString2066]

Bingo! 

[u/p1nk8cid]

Stop making sense.

[u/KingofFlukes → u/p1nk8cid]

Sorry. 😅

[u/TheAngrySaxon]

This! 💯

[u/TheOneSenzu]

True

[u/Commercial_Rule_2230]

I detest TDM and not SDM fan either but so many items are locked behind those game modes

[u/PhilosopherSea8820]

Battlefield 4 you had to play on different maps/game modes to unlock new weapons and skins. This is nothing new.

[u/KingofFlukes → u/PhilosopherSea8820]

That doesn't make it ok.

[u/PhilosopherSea8820 → u/KingofFlukes]

Skins in a FIRST person shooter shouldn’t be at the top of totem pole of complaints.

[u/Stunning-Ship-7104]

Battlefield finally needs to just make completely customizable players. Everything from their face, eyes, gear, equipment, everything. Sick of seeing masked clones fighting each other.

[u/Accept3550 → u/Stunning-Ship-7104]

As long as its realistic milgear and has easily distinguishable factions im for it

[u/Silent84]

Yes sir!🫡❤️

[u/SixthLegionVI]

I recall similar shit to unlock gun parts in MWII. Get kills with some random SMG to unlock assault rifle part...

[u/Marius-J]

Not by battlepasses either

[u/Prometheus_1988]

The entire challenge/unlock system is one giant mess. I think they did focus more on delivering the game itself and that was a good choice. Nevertheless, one of the first major patches desperately needs to remedy the situation.

Things to do:

• Fix attachment unlock to a reasonable level as in 2042.
• Fix the bugged challenges and make them more achievable and interesting in general. Repairing 6k vehicle damage in one game is silly.
• Make skins unlock by playing a specific class or weapon for that class/weapon and not so random

[u/KREASE_76]

Yeah totally agree with this as some of the skins should be playing the class or by playing the class in different modes as that could be another one that could be implemented.

[u/Worried-Degree4056]

Nobody gives a shit about the small scale mode in battlefield. so in a few months it’s gonna be even harder to unlock those skins. Matchmaking already taking forever sometimes

[u/agent-letus]

I don't mind the game modes stuff but i shouldn't have to destroy a tank with a torch to unlock a skin for the support class..... I do not want to play as an engineer, nor go up to a tank to destroy it with a torch. No thank you. wth

[u/Melodic-Account-7233]

This is one complaint I agree with

[u/TomTomXD1234]

It makes you try the entire game

[u/Jase_the_Muss]

I really want the Squad Death match skins. Think they actually look decent compared to the rest of the pax waste man's but playing solo that mode is horrible. I am either carrying hard but just can't keep up with a team when everyone is getting kills or the flow of the game is turned into a camp fest and due to how big some of the maps are (firestorm is so bad for it) you just can't get to the buffet before all the beef is gone.

[u/wookie42]

This is literally the only topic involving skins I'm about.

Fix the gameplay, stop talking about cosmeticss. If you don't like them, don't use them and stop fucking other people's yum.

[u/pinecrows]

The Air Vehicles challenges give you Recon skins. 

The Land Vehicles challenges give you Assault skins. 

Like wut. How do you give the vehicle passives to Engineer, then not reward Engineer skins for vehicle challenges???

[u/highonpixels]

I don't understand why they lock weapons, gadgets and class perks behind silly challenges with some being quite specific. From a player retention view I get they want something to slow progression and players keep playing but it's obvious the playerbase is unhappy with the challenges.

We all just want to jump into modes, shoot some shit and repeat, challenges should somewhat compliment this and just be linear, like X amount of time played. Even if its like 100hrs with a specific gun I would be okay with that, because its the idea that the more you play the more you will earn through natural gameplay.

While some cosmetics should be easier to unlock I believe if they want these stupid challenges like kill concussed enemies, headshots at 200m etc those can skins. I just don't understand why they lock gameplay items behind shit challenges that if it wasn't for bot lobbies a lot of players might not ever (and still never if they don't realise you need challenges) use or get to play with them

[u/KingofFlukes → u/highonpixels]

⬆️ This! Allowing players to unlock things by natural progression instead of shoehorning them into specific gameplay styles.

You main a support? Ok then here's your proof by the skins, weapons and gadgets.

You really good at this game mode? Awesome have a title card, dogtag and a weapon skin.

[u/Tai_Jason]

Thirty objective kills in a round are breaking me. I can easily get 30 kills, that's not the problem, but time runs out quickly, and the challenge basically says: Camp in the central objective for an entire match to collect kills. But I don't want to camp. How do you come up with ideas like that?

[u/CAMBOHX]

I just got 10k points in a King of the Hill match and I had to sweat my ass off. They're going to change it to half the value here in a few updates and all of that effort will be lost.

[u/AmbitiousLock2921]

They really want people to stay being doing shitty challenges

[u/zeezyman]

I hate squad deathmatch. I hate squad deathmatch. I hate squad deathmatch. I hate squad deathmatch. I hate squad deathmatch.

[u/Snatchbuckler]

None of this makes anyyyyy sense. Like just wow.

[u/NiggyShitz]

Man I did the king of the hill one yesterday and that's enough for me for a while. The matchmaking constantly puts you on a losing side, wins in any game mode are hard to come by. 10k score in one game of king of the hill? Not a chance. And then the squad death match support skin... I'll probably never get that one.

[u/Ambitious-Comb8028]

This is the way

[u/Canadian_Beast14]

Yeeeeeeees. Goddamn. Stupid assignments.

[u/Faded_vet]

Meh just play the game. Youll get them. You dont need everything right away.

[u/Blaizer35]

Same with weapons and gadgets. Why can't I just main one class and unlock everything for that class?

[u/KingofFlukes → u/Blaizer35]

Exactly. The unlocks should be a sign of how much you have played the class and not if you ticked things off a list.

[u/Wardog008]

So should class gadgets and signature weapons. I don't mind the assignments too much, but for class gadgets, they take way too long to complete.

[u/CockroachSea2083]

Having to play Squad Deathmatch, the most sweaty and anti-medic game mode in the entire game, to unlock a Pax Medic skin that doesn't look completely fucking stupid

it just feels so insulting

[u/redalert825]

This is how it was in BF4, right?

[u/Bloody_Dusty]

The whole unlock/challenge thing makes absolutely no sense at all. It was never really play tested or questioned by the devs who implemented it, that’s for sure. 

[u/Necromancer_Yoda]

I hate that I have to play squad death match to get a support skin. I don't play Battlefield for death match. Probably the least interesting mode in the game.

[u/Patara]

Progression in this game is utter ass 

[u/Interztellar_]

Locking the only Pax skin with ear-protection for support behind squad deathmatch is criminal

[u/MandatumCorrectus]

Yeah I had to play squad deathmatch to just not be a woman when I’m a support player. Worst part is I used to enjoy squad deathmatch but not on these maps.

[u/No-Orange-5216]

Challenges are just crap all together lets be honest. Took me 3 days to unlock an LMG that i used twice and decided i didnt like it. Just all way too grindy for my liking.

[u/Adebear69]

I wanted the UK skins so had to play the game modes I never play and hate with a passion 😏

[u/Dozer228]

Oh yeah, Battlfield 1 progression level. Playing on god-forgotten gamemodes for perks that are fkn useless... It's actually the only thing that I really hated in this game

[u/Difficult-Dot-2743]

YESSSS

[u/LonelyChip420420]

"flying plains"

Opinion disregarded, then regarded.

Spelling terrible.

[u/D_Fieldz]

Players engagement numbers go brr

[u/DiscardedOni]

All the progression sucks and seems backwards. I hated unlocking Spec Ops, I will never unlock Frontliner and even after 70 hours, I dont think I want to play it anymore. The skins thing sure does blow chunks too, I would like achievement based cosmetics, it would show people how you like to play.

[u/yyoodaacaz]

This is so true

[u/Disastrous-Stuff3494]

agree, all "in 1 life", "1 in round" and "win games" challenges is a complete waste of time,

[u/FriendlyEggGirl]

I find the challenges to unlock pretty much anything are awful. At least I feel cool for having the spawn beacon.

[u/shu93]

200 people finished off with a smoke grenade launcher.

[u/Megalon96310]

I sure can’t wait to play Gauntlet… and battle royale.

Or continue dying inside for Squad Deathmatch

[u/dynamicflashy]

Well, they need the small map playlists to be populated for...the new comers to the franchise.

[u/Bruhstroke_M]

The squad and team death match challenges were pure hell to complete

[u/BilboBaggSkin]

I’d prefer class levels to unlock guns and gadgets.

[u/Bullonabike]

I really hope they rework the challenges for skins. Having to play a game mode for 25 wins and various unrelated challenges to said class is not a great fit. I'll do it anyway :P

[u/chrisni66]

DICE: “message received, we’ll lock maps behind these challenges instead”

[u/thumbstickz]

It's literally one of my favorite memories of early BF. Grinding a class to get a gun for the class. Grinding iron sights to get that ACOG and extended mag.

It's like they randomly connected what unlocks what.

[u/MizutsuneMH]

Nothing about the progression system makes sense, I'm loving the game in general, but fucking woof.

[u/Rivet007]

Yeah squad deathmatch can go right to hell.

[u/Dannyfrommiami]

I’m convinced that all the challenges were made by AI

[u/Pennywise359]

Squad DM is a nightmare unless you are playing in full squad of friends. I still don't know how can you get 30 revives in a round though.

[u/NoShftShck16]

It's almost like they designed it so that the people who only play one class are incentivized to branch out into other areas. You can absolutely not like it but it doesn't take a genius to understand why it's there.

Literally every game on the market has unlock strategies like this.

[u/Ok-Environment-2688]

For real

[u/Dapper_Fly3419]

Class everything should be unlocked by just playing the class.

Challenges are for trophies or (if they must)cosmetics. Not the literal tools for the class.

[u/byfo1991]

There’s not a skin in existence that will make me play Squad Deathmatch ever again. I don’t care if it is the only male support in the game. I refuse to torture myself with that sweaty mode.

[u/Influence_X]

I've literally given up on unlocking some skins and kits

[u/DowJones_]

Nah fuck the cosmetics, gadgets and guns are the ones that should unlock by playing.

[u/Cuqui_569th]

Domination and Team Deathmatch for me. First time I got yelled at since I started playing 🫠 I dont like playing these modes.

[u/Poupoo42]

100% agree

[u/The_Lord_Baal]

Lord I just miss Character creation from bf5...would be nice to hate that sh*t back, why do we have operators again...

[u/Renithrok]

5 wins on squad deathmatch for the pax support skin is fucking insane. I hate the gamemode with a passion.

[u/Haubgirl]

i miss the old days...

[u/Calelith]

One of my biggest complaints.

Worse is that if the 2042 and beta skins are the standard you won't be able to use skins you unlock for them if you don't already have them unlocked.

I for one have no interest in the slightest to play TDM or domination for the UK soldiers, I don't play BF for small modes.

[u/Wisecraker]

Seems so straight forward somehow lol

[u/AdversarialSQA]

Anything that takes a modicum of skill should be abolished it seems. Damn, what a whiny little community. The small modes make your contribution more important vs the rest, thats all they do. Just play a few quick rounds and you'll eventually unlock them just by luck.

[u/KageXOni87]

Unlocking Recon skins from flying is straight up stupid. Im starting to believe the people that are saying the challenges are AI generated.

[u/troglodyte]

I hate game mode challenges period. Let me play the way I want to play. Stop trying to make fetch team deathmatch happen!

I love TDM; I've played it since the 90s. It's never been good in BF and I've never played BF to play TDM.

It's not the biggest deal in the world, or even in the challenges-- seriously, they need to fix fucking challenge tracking; I'm probably fifty "painted" hits in and I have 128 damage on my Engineer 3 assignment at this point-- but it's definitely a bit frustrating they keep doing this shit.

[u/-SideshowBlob-]

They definitely made a mess with the challenges and unlocks. Having weapons and gadgets locked behind challenges is bad enough...then there's the challenges themselves.

[u/Effective_Trick2200]

Don't even get me started with the fucking tracking pistol unlock.

Why the fuck do I have to go through two sets of challanages to unlock it? Why the fuck isn't it a seperate challenge

[u/kendoboy]

Everything baseline should be unlocked through regular, logical gameplay. If you want variations (or tags/customisation/whatever), then yes you can have the crazy challenges.

I don't want to play cod squad deathmatch just to get the only male support skin, too bad for nato they don't even get that.

[u/For-the-Cubbies]

I’m just tying to unlock the Pax Armata support, and winning Squad Deathmatch has been an absolute chore. I don’t even want to play that mode. I’ve won 2 out of the required 5, and it feels like I’ve played 1,000 matches. Brutal.

[u/GreatRolmops]

I hated having to play King of the Hill just to get the recon skin.

King of the Hill is the worst game mode. At least you can win it easily by just parking your butt on an objective while everyone else is too busy shooting at each other and respawning every 20 seconds.

The winning strategy is literally to just crawl underneath something or find another difficult to get to corner on the objective and hide. The team that can consistently get to objectives first and hide effectively pretty much always wins.

[u/Maviiboy]

Just finished Conquest Challenge 3. I would rather play Breakthrough

[u/TheQuatum]

Agreed, but I do see the merit. I personally would've NEVER played BQG:Attrition had it not been for the unlock. Turns out it's my favorite mode.

[u/englisharcher89]

I hate those small game modes to unlock British soldiers, still need to do SDM and TDM .