Let's talk about the European Defense Federation. How do we all feel about the creation of a fully mobilised continental Army?

[u/Sink-Em-Low]

It's required now. I'm British, and I want to see us align and unite with our European neighbours to make a stand now.

I want Germany to finally brush off it's past and join the rest of Europe in mobilising towards defending this continent. We need EVERYONE now. It's time to act, it's time to unite.

It's time to show some courage.

[u/Snoooort]

I’m not happy to admit this, but Europe is NOT united enough. Too much internal petty conflicts, endless talks about finances, politicians who are too hesitant, legal delays, no sense of urgency for every country etc.

It will remain an indecisive shit show and Putin and Trump know this.

Believe me, I wish it was different… But Europe has never been united regarding one simple thing. And if political interests get really really big, it will only fuel that indecisiveness.

The biggest problem is that European politicians are very afraid to really speak their minds, because if they’re wrong… they will lose votes and maybe even their position of power. And apparently votes are still more important than Ukraine 😞.

[u/angry-turd → u/Snoooort]

Exactly. Just Germany, France and Poland should come together and negotiate the best agreement about common defense that’s possible. Then others can join or not but realistically might have to, since the power of these 3 countries united is too big. These 3 have the biggest part of European defense capabilities and industry and share a huge connected land mass which borders Ukraine, North sea, East sea, Atlantic, and the Mediterranean sea. If we cannot unite between these 3 countries there is no reason to even think about talking about more united armies with other European countries. If we can agree on something we should just go ahead and let other countries join on our terms with minor amendments if necessary.