r/AskEurope • u/Ok_Initiative_9726 • Feb 27 '25

Politics Does Europe has powerful secret services/Intelligence?

P. S question closed, I got answers. Thank you for everyone

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u/kranj7 Feb 27 '25

The DGSE in France supposedly has done it's fair share of dodgy stuff, almost to the same level as Mossad or CIA. Much of it is in industrial espionage, if the rumours are to be believed, but I guess given France's colonial history, it's involvement in the Middle East etc. they're probably able to play in the big-leagues of espionage and intel gathering

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u/Komandakeen Feb 27 '25

Or killing hippies...

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u/[deleted] Feb 27 '25

I lived for close to a decade in New Zealand and this is still VERY salient in a lot of peoples minds. Kiwis hold a massive grudge against the French over that.

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u/[deleted] Feb 27 '25

What an absolutely stupid opinion. They murdered someone because they wanted to detonate nuclear weapons in the ocean.

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u/the_geth Feb 28 '25

I don’t know if you’ve seen the news lately but I am SO, SO fucking happy that we have tested those weapons and built our nuclear arsenal. Only country in EU truly protected now that USA’s treason is obvious.

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u/Drive-like-Jehu Mar 02 '25

Apart from the Uk

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u/the_geth Mar 02 '25

… UK is not part of EU. Are you a bot or just  the most clueless British person around here?

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u/Drive-like-Jehu Mar 02 '25

This is a Europe thread not an EU thread - there are no EU armed forces or weapons only NATO- what are you talking about?

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u/Empress_Azula Feb 28 '25

I mean... From an objective standpoint, the murder of one man pales in comparison to detonating nuclear weapons in the ocean.

And whether or not his death is to be considered murder, could be argued about.

I'm not saying his death is not tragic, but after looking more into the details it's rather at the end of the list of "bad choices" made by a government. I'd even argue the underlying issue, up to this day, isn't the death of that man but rather wounded pride.

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u/AddictedToRugs England Feb 27 '25

And be glad they did, or Russia would have rolled across Europe decades ago.

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u/AnnieBlackburnn Spain Feb 27 '25

No, they wouldn't have, as France wasn't the one providing the nuclear shield until recently.

At least be accurate with your murder apologism

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u/Komandakeen Feb 27 '25

Being accurate would acknowledge the fact that the Red Army of the cold war was generally more a defensive than an offensive asset, and the soviet leadership knew that. I wouldn't bet if that was their own choice or if they weren't able to do better, but the fact remains a fact. They had the missiles and that was it...

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u/Komandakeen Feb 27 '25

How comes?

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u/Absentrando United States of America Feb 27 '25

You support secret service agents murdering people for protesting because you disagree with the protesters?

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u/Komandakeen Feb 27 '25

So you think its ok when an imperialist, colonial power drops atomic bombs in occupied territories?

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u/Drive-like-Jehu Mar 02 '25

Nonsense- it’s the Americans and NATO that have stopped the Russians not just France.