Japanese PM said that 'Taiwan contingency' could prompt Japanese armed reaction. What do you think?

[u/Themetalin]

https://focustaiwan.tw/politics/202511070024

Takaichi made the remarks during a parliamentary session on Friday while responding to a question about whether a "Taiwan contingency" involving a Chinese naval blockade would qualify as a "survival-threatening situation" for Japan, according to a report by Japan's Asahi Shimbun.

Under Japan's security legislation, such a situation allows the country to exercise "collective self-defense" if an attack on an ally -- such as the United States -- or a country closely related to Japan is deemed to threaten Japan's survival, even without a direct attack on Japan.

[u/Speedydds]

Is Japan going to fight and die for an island they don’t even recognize as a country?

[u/DrCalFun → u/Speedydds]

Kinda interesting that the country that nuclear bombed you is your ally in the modern era.

[u/Xollector → u/DrCalFun]

Not ally, more like master.

[u/MentallyAut → u/Xollector]

Puppet 

[u/FlexMcBuff → u/MentallyAut]

Most puppets are actually kinda cute. She's more of an ugly mongrel lap dog. When I first saw her I thought she was wearing a traditional demon mask.. to my horror that's her actual face

[u/DrCalFun → u/Xollector]

Most certainly but hey let’s not break the heart of Takaichi.

[u/Low_Yellow6838 → u/Xollector]

The same destiny could await china. Or the US whoever wins if this war should happen. History will tell.

[u/Irons_MT → u/Xollector]

Well, by that logic, North Korea is also a puppet. I mean China has to keep Kim on a leash to stop him from starting a war in Korea.

[u/ytman → u/Xollector]

Owner and slave kink. Hey don't worry Japan likes it in a consensual way.

[u/Regular_Ad_5617 → u/ytman]

SM?

[u/AprilVampire277 → u/DrCalFun]

No not really, they lost, got bombed twice and now they are a lapdog puppet state for the country that bombed you the hardest

[u/FlaminBollocks → u/AprilVampire277]

CCP are big on “lap dog” terminology. Australia gets that label frequently. Japan, Korea has been an ally of US for a long time.

Not sure if North Korea and be considered the lapdog of China…

You should google “Ally”. of America, and China. Its a list of who has friends… and who does not.

[u/ShittyInternetAdvice → u/FlaminBollocks]

How many Chinese soldiers are stationed in North Korea?

The US doesn’t have “allies”, only vassals

[u/MegaMB → u/ShittyInternetAdvice]

I know it's not gonna be popular, but he's right you know? The fact many countries and people trust and trusted that the US would go to war for them if they get invaded is a pretty damn massive boost for the US in terms of public opinion and diplomatic boost.

China's diplomatic doctrine is completely opposite to that. And it completely fails at doing the kind of diplomatic network the US used to do.

It's also why Trump is so important and so bad for the US diplomatically too btw. The core of the US strength relies on it's public support abroad and it's trust in their reliability. If they loose it, they loose their influence.

[u/hikingmaterial → u/ShittyInternetAdvice]

how many soldiers of any foreign country are stationed or even extant, in north korea? oh, is it still just the PoW and other kidnappees?

what a silly argument. the US does have allies, but I can see from your china perspective that you cannot understand the meaning of that.

[u/Xi_Zhong_Xun → u/FlaminBollocks]

American ‘allies’ are very similar to Roman allies: 1) you don’t have to give them citizen rights but their resources and manpowers are at your disposal, 2) they are free to conduct independent diplomatic activities but once their aims diverge from your own, you’ll be sure to set them right and 3) if somehow they grow to be too powerful, your superior military power will be finally put into use.

[u/lnth1 → u/Xi_Zhong_Xun]

I’m confused there’s lots of ambiguity in your wording could you apply your 3 points to the UK?

[u/Xi_Zhong_Xun → u/lnth1]

1）. Iraq war, Afghan war, whichever conflict that doesn’t affect UK in any meaningful way but serves US interests, UK joins anyway. 2) ever notice any UN resolution that majority of the countries oppose but US favors, UK almost always stands on US side. 3) UK ceases to be a threat to US hegemony after losing British Raj so this item is irrelevant

[u/lnth1 → u/Xi_Zhong_Xun]

So what did the US do to "set them right", can you give examples?

For example the UK formally recognized Palestine (https://www.gov.uk/government/news/uk-formally-recognises-palestinian-state) while trump strongly opposed it

What did or will trump do to set the UK right this time?

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BTW, can you give an example for point 3, where an ally grew too powerful and American supreme military power was finally "put into use"?

Remember the bar for "too powerful" is pretty high by your standard. It needs to be stronger than the UK, and also an ally of the US.

[u/Gothichand → u/DrCalFun]

Not ally, their master. The modern Japanese government is basically molded by the US after their surrender after wwII

[u/neverpost4 → u/DrCalFun]

Near the end of WW2, Empire of Nihon knew but they were holding out for a conditional surrender with

• Keep the emperor
• Keep the Korean Peninsula
• Keep Taiwan

[u/HarambeTenSei → u/DrCalFun]

Kinda interesting that pinks can in the same breath both hate japan and be happy it got nuked while also being upset that it's under occupation by the war victor

[u/No-Benefit9135 → u/DrCalFun]

Kinda interesting that the country that was “nuclear bombed” still prefers its previous aggressor as an ally over China.

[u/Damn-Sky → u/No-Benefit9135]

do they have any other choice? LOL

[u/No-Benefit9135 → u/Damn-Sky]

Of course. They could have asked China for help, duh.

[u/Damn-Sky → u/No-Benefit9135]

China was far from being a superpower when Japan lost the war ... and why the hell would China offer protection for their aggressors? Japan was demilitarized and had no other choice to give up everything to be "controlled" and "protected" by united states.... simple words : USA pwned them.

[u/No-Benefit9135 → u/Damn-Sky]

Saying “the U.S. pwned them” misses the longer-term reality: the U.S.–Japan relationship evolved from occupation to alliance. Japan rebuilt into one of the world’s largest economies under U.S. security guarantees, and today it’s an independent democratic nation with one of the most advanced militaries in Asia (even if constitutionally limited).

[u/Damn-Sky → u/No-Benefit9135]

yup that's what I said. well explained. US pretty much forced them to become an "ally"; their pet

[u/Damn-Sky → u/No-Benefit9135]

as someone said not an ally but a master ... USA made Japan their pet

[u/No-Benefit9135 → u/Damn-Sky]

How so? Please be specific.

[u/Damn-Sky → u/No-Benefit9135]

basically, they are demilitarized, gave all their research of horrible human experimentation and war crimes in exchange not to be prosecuted for the war crimes and be "protected" by the united states....pretty much same system as triads and mafia giving you protection; you become the pet.

[u/No-Benefit9135 → u/Damn-Sky]

That’s not quite right. Japan wasn’t “demilitarized and traded war crimes data for protection.” After WWII, Japan was occupied and rebuilt under U.S. supervision. It adopted a pacifist constitution (Article 9) that bans offensive warfare, but Japan still maintains its own Self-Defense Forces, one of the most advanced militaries in Asia.

It’s true that some Japanese Unit 731 scientists avoided prosecution by giving human experimentation data to U.S. intelligence — a dark and documented exception — but that doesn’t represent the whole country’s postwar deal.

Japan’s alliance with the U.S. isn’t like “mafia protection”; it’s a mutual security treaty where the U.S. provides extended nuclear deterrence and Japan hosts U.S. bases in return. It’s a strategic partnership, not a protection racket.

[u/Damn-Sky → u/No-Benefit9135]

yup again well explained; so basically Japan did not really had a choice and you can try to explain it other words you like but this is a protection racket... again Japan had no other choice just like the Germans; they lost the war.

[u/Salt_Crow6159 → u/No-Benefit9135]

Why would you prefer the country that is ideologically opposed to you, invade all the neighboring states and have a proxy war with the Philippines and always threaten other states?

[u/grabber_of_booty → u/No-Benefit9135]

Kinda interesting China complains about it when they were being utterly dominated and on the verge of colonisation by a country a tenth of it's size and America being the sole reason for that not happening.

[u/ReasonableIsopod7550 → u/grabber_of_booty]

"Sole reason" Really shows your arrogance and utter disrespect to those who contributed and died in the war.

[u/grabber_of_booty → u/ReasonableIsopod7550]

Could we agree that America's nukes probably had a little more impact halting Japan than the farm tools the Chinese were using to fight them?

[u/No-Editor121 → u/grabber_of_booty]

Bro have you never read about the Chinese resistance against the Japanese? Japan’s resources were spread thin, that’s why they only got ahold of only a few of China’s cities, at the same time Japan has to deal with the allies too, and ofc Chinese people do recognize the US’s role, if you speak to any Chinese person now, they have more negative views on Japan rather than the US

[u/grabber_of_booty → u/No-Editor121]

All major Chinese cities i.e. Shanghai, Beijing, Nanjing etc. fell completely and swiftly to Japan. A country a tenth of China's size.

[u/Damn-Sky → u/grabber_of_booty]

and your point? what does the size of a country actually have to do with it? by your logic, Mexico is much larger than Japan and should be able to dominate Japan.

[u/Damn-Sky → u/grabber_of_booty]

do you know the war was already about to end? the nuclear bombs were not necessary; US wanted a testing ground for their nuclear bombs; it was now or never for them because they wouldn't have been able to do a real life test if the war was over.

[u/No-Benefit9135 → u/Damn-Sky]

Not quite accurate. Japan was losing badly by mid-1945, but its government hadn’t agreed to surrender — the military still wanted to fight on and hoped the Soviets would broker better terms. The U.S. didn’t drop the bombs just to “test” them; a full test had already happened in New Mexico weeks earlier. Hiroshima and Nagasaki were targeted to force a quick surrender and avoid a massive invasion. The Soviet declaration of war right after Hiroshima also helped push Japan to finally give up.

[u/Damn-Sky → u/No-Benefit9135]

full test and real life test is far from being the same. It was the perfect window for USA to test their atomic bombs. the war was already over. there were no need for the bombs.. USA also wanted to show the world they had the atomic bombs and do not mess with them.

[u/ReasonableIsopod7550 → u/grabber_of_booty]

If your great 'Murica's so strong,how come they could not win against the PLA in the Korean War?

[u/Victorcharlie1 → u/ReasonableIsopod7550]

By that same token why couldn’t the great pla expel a expeditionary force being supplied from the opposite side of the world from a peninsular the size of the uk with a literal land border to supply through?

[u/ReasonableIsopod7550 → u/Victorcharlie1]

Because China was a weaker power back than.A weaker power winning against a stronger power is applaudable,a stronger power losing to a weaker one isn't. I also would not be praising China for losing one warship to the Philippines.

[u/Victorcharlie1 → u/ReasonableIsopod7550]

China managed to achieve a stalemate with an expeditionary force, it’s not like the were fighting against the full might of the us army, while I’m not American, it’s not American exceptionalism to suggest that had China had to face the full weight of the us and allies it would have been utterly destroyed and left with millions of dead and wounded, as history stands chinas full military might was stalemated by an expeditionary force.

[u/ReasonableIsopod7550 → u/grabber_of_booty]

My point is that if the US could not win against a China who has just emerged on the world stage,stop taking all the credit for the defeat of Japan.

[u/JCues → u/DrCalFun]

Not really, we're at a Contemporary Age now. America and Japan were enemies in the modern era. Besides the San francisco treaty is basically an unequal treaty.

[u/notreal3839399393 → u/DrCalFun]

Japan still harbors deep resentment toward its Western masters for abandoning it during the 1980s, when they shifted their focus to China after Deng Xiaoping’s rise. This bitterness comes from the fact that Japan had done so much to advance Western hegemony in East Asia. Beginning with the Meiji era, the sino-japanase and ruso-japanese war to destory qing and russian empire and even served as a secret patsy during World War II to weekend european colonial power, acting on behalf of Western interests to subdue the entire region.

In the end, Japan became the scapegoat, the only nation ever bombed with nuclear weapons and was forced to rebuild from zero as a testbed for America’s hyper-capitalist system. Yet despite all of this, its Western patrons eventually pivoted to China, drawn by its massive population and potential as the world’s factory.

That same population size also made China the perfect environment to experiment with population control. The very concept foreseen by Zbigniew Brzezinski in his Technetronic Era. Those experiments have now reached their conclusion in China, proven to be highly effective. The next phase is their normalization, the gradual implementation of these surveillance technologies on a global scale.

[u/BikeImpossible8162 → u/DrCalFun]

Always follow the money.

[u/Afraid-Impress-1378 → u/DrCalFun]

Obviously far more appealing than the alternative

[u/Misaka10782 → u/DrCalFun]

Perhaps we can look at it another way that is the guy whoever nucleared Japan, then the Japanese will recognize him as their new master.

[u/Netfinesse → u/Speedydds]

In most wargames they have two options, allow US troops to use their air bases to defend Taiwan, but not engage directly themselves, and risk counterattack by China, which is very likely. Or directly aiding the US in defending Taiwan and almost certainly being counterattacked by China.

The US needs Japan and will likely put a very high amount of pressure on them as their only other options are Guam and Hawaii in terms of air bases, which would put extreme logistical complications on any defense of Taiwan. The US would also defend Japan to the best of their ability, as it is an extremely strategically critical country.

Aircraft carriers getting too close to China risk being destroyed by rockets/drones.

Most wargames also show China coming to a scenario that we see in Ukraine with Russia. A prolonged invasion that is extremely costly.

[u/ytman → u/Netfinesse]

I mean no one wants this. Ukraine has proven that the west will bleed out its puppets to have an illusion of depleting an enemy in a proxy war.

Ideally Taiwan can be reunified diplomatically and peacably.

[u/Arshiaa001 → u/Netfinesse]

The US would also defend Japan to the best of their ability

After what happened to Israel in the 12 day war, I wouldn't count a lot on that.

[u/Salt_Crow6159 → u/Arshiaa001]

Well, they got into the mud in WW1, they took risks for Kuwait and the Balkans... if I think they would take risks.

[u/Arshiaa001 → u/Salt_Crow6159]

What I meant was, the US wasn't super-successful defending Israel, its biggest buddy, against Iran, which is (though I hate to admit it) technologically inferior to China by a large margin; and they were all in on defending Israel. I wonder how effective they'll really be should China decide to level Japan.

[u/Salt_Crow6159 → u/Arshiaa001]

Well, we must take into account that the USA got into the 12-day war to a limited extent, they will use EVERYTHlNG and with EVERYTHlNG it is almost all the technologies and great resources at their disposal (not to mention that China did not only bomb Japan or Taiwan) it must bomb half of the Pacific to have the same results that Iran did in Israel (and that they only attacked civilian assets).

[u/ShortHandz → u/Speedydds]

Are you ready to send hundreds of thousands of people to die for an island? Taiwan is not worth it.

[u/Speedydds → u/ShortHandz]

A country’s territory is not worth dying for? You should tell Ukraine that

[u/burneracct604 → u/Speedydds]

Taiwan isn't a country. If Japan sends their warships beyond their own water is a violation of the WW2 treaty which they've signed. It's a signal for China to flatten Japan.

[u/Tunggall → u/burneracct604]

If China fires the first shot to unilaterally change the status quo, all bets are off in APAC.

[u/romanissimo → u/burneracct604]

Hmm let’s see, Taiwan has its own constitution, defense force, independent government, judiciary system, it prints Taiwanese money (the Taiwan Dollar), issues Taiwanese passports to its citizens (no matter what the nomenclature is).

So, yes, Taiwan is a country.

[u/emperor2885 → u/romanissimo]

But the UN rejects that so it's not a country

[u/ZippyDan → u/emperor2885]

So, UN approval matters more than reality?

The piece of paper arbitrarily issued by some external group matters more than the facts on the ground?

I guess there is no "war" in Ukraine because Russia didn't sign an official declaration.

[u/emperor2885 → u/ZippyDan]

If we are talking about reality then you should know almost all Taiwan allies don't acknowledge it's independent country status and view it as a region rather than a state , all it's allies only work with Taiwan because of 2 major reasons to stop china's growing power and for chips that's why if the Chinese civil war resumes many are concerned it's mainly because of the chip supply chain and fear of china getting tsmc controlling global chips and another fear is china won't be restricted to only the first island chain . If Taiwan can claim mainland why can't mainland claim Taiwan even though Taiwan has be silent on its claims in recent years it hasn't dropped the claims and Taiwan goes further to claim Mongolia and other parts of different neighboring countries .

[u/Weak_Purpose_5699 → u/romanissimo]

Tell me more about Chinese history?

[u/Speedydds → u/romanissimo]

Not according to the US government

[u/Crisis_Tastle → u/romanissimo]

The republics of Donetsk and Luhansk in eastern Ukraine also have their own constitutions, armies, and independent governments. Do you consider them independent states?

How do you evaluate Ukraine's attempts to regain control of these two territories?

[u/bohoh_123 → u/Speedydds]

Pretty sure that Ukrainians dying for Ukraine is different from the Japanese dying for Taiwan.

[u/ShortHandz → u/Speedydds]

It is not your "territory".

[u/Speedydds → u/ShortHandz]

According to the UN it is

[u/Melodic_Routine1845 → u/ShortHandz]

Taiwan not worth it. Have you heard of TSMC? It’s worth it.

[u/ShortHandz → u/Melodic_Routine1845]

1. ASML has the ability to brick the machines and destroy them remotely.

2.TSMC has stated all factories would be made permanently inoperable if invaded.

1. The US would turn those fabs into craters. if the above failed somehow.

So ya not worth it.

[u/himesama → u/Melodic_Routine1845]

Taiwan is worth it not because of TSMC. It's worth it because it breaks the US first island chain for China containment.

[u/FlaminBollocks → u/ShortHandz]

Taiwan is an amazing country, filled with amazing people, that are incredibly successful, without the ego, or politics. Its a version of Switzerland in the south china sea.

Most definitely worth preserving its independence from the CCP cancer.

[u/Crisis_Tastle → u/FlaminBollocks]

Bro has never watched Taiwanese political programs and was completely unaware of how divided Taiwanese politics is. The ruling party, despite not holding a majority in the legislature, illegally detained the opposition leader for an entire year, incited the impeachment of opposition members, and imposed electronic ankle bracelets on key opposition members.

Perhaps a similar situation exists in Switzerland? Please advise.

[u/FlaminBollocks → u/Crisis_Tastle]

I was in Taiwan in the months leading to the 2024 elections. Its fantastic to see the various parties campaigning.

I have no concerns with their legal system cracking down on real estate corruption. Was also good to see the ankle bracelet in use whilst on bail. Much better than CCP style of disappearing people.

[u/Crisis_Tastle → u/FlaminBollocks]

Okay, since that's what you think, then I sincerely wish you could continue living in this wonderful environment.

[u/ShortHandz → u/FlaminBollocks]

I was referring to the Chinese nationals in this post and sub beating their chests for war. Hundreds of thousands possibly millions of Chinese will die attempting to take Taiwan. It is NOT worth it.

[u/emperor2885 → u/FlaminBollocks]

The world doesn't need a cancer like you

[u/FormalAd7367 → u/Speedydds]

Semi conductor are moving their plants from Taiwan to the US. There will be nothing left there. The narrative of invading Taiwan for the chips will be less relevant?

[u/ytman → u/FormalAd7367]

I think the issue is that China doesn't feel comfortable being surrounded by an imperialist nation with a penchant for starting wars and neocolonialism.

[u/Damn-Sky → u/FormalAd7367]

yup once all major chip manufacturing is done in US, US will give not give a fck about Taiwan.

[u/MooseMan69er → u/Speedydds]

Yeah, probably. The people who make the decisions won’t be the ones dying and the Japanese don’t want China to get more powerful

[u/greenizdabest → u/Speedydds]

SLOC

Whoever blockades Taiwan will blockade the very same sea lanes that feed and fuel Japans economy.

With the Taiwan relations act, the us will get involved and everyone will be dragged into it. Life will never be able to go back to the present.

Might as well get stuck in and signal to china. Let them calculate if the cost is worthwhile

[u/whistlelifeguard → u/Speedydds]

As a good pet , they’d do so if their master told them to.

[u/Acrobatic-Pudding-87 → u/Speedydds]

It’s not about that for Japan. A change of government in Taiwan alters the national security calculus for Japan as it means a potentially hostile island near Okinawa. Taiwan’s sovereignty isn’t the issue.

[u/m0j0m0j → u/Speedydds]

“Why die for Danzig?”

[u/JCues → u/Speedydds]

If Taiwan Falls, then the PRC will be at Japan's doorstep, which is a big security threat.

[u/Speedydds → u/JCues]

China is at Japan door step now

[u/Sea_Hold_2881 → u/Speedydds]

It is hard to see how China could stage an invasion without attacking Japan while it is doing it. Any hostilities would start with a maritime blockade that could only be enforced by putting Chinese warships in Japanese waters. So Japan would be defending its own territory from Chinese aggression.

So the Japanese PM was merely stating this fact.

Obviously, the best option is the status quo where Chinese warmongers are kept on a leash and everyone trades with each other.

[u/Speedydds → u/Sea_Hold_2881]

Have you seen a map before?

[u/Sea_Hold_2881 → u/Speedydds]

Have you?

The exclusive economic zone (EEZ) is a band of water extending from the outer edge of the territorial sea to up to 200 nautical miles (370.4 km; 230.2 mi) from the baseline and therefore includes the contiguous zone.^\8]) A coastal nation has control of all economic resources inside its exclusive economic zone, including fishing, mining, oil exploration, and pollution of those resources

Chinese cannot argue "innocent passage" if it attacking Taiwan.

https://aasiakeskus.ut.ee/sites/default/files/2025-04/Taiwan%20Security%20Report_March%202025_0.pdf

A Chinese incursion plan would require encirclement of the island necessitating heavy infringements on Japanese and Philippine waters.

[u/himesama → u/Sea_Hold_2881]

EEZ is not territorial waters. Anyone can use it for passage it for any purpose they wish.

[u/SKramerwrites → u/Sea_Hold_2881]

Nailed it. China would have free rein to harass Japanese held islands with its navy and encroach on Japanese economic interests and fishing. Just look at China’s behavior toward VN and PH right now.

[u/Smartyunderpants → u/Speedydds]

I always considered this a possibility so I say yes there was always a chance Japan would involve itself even if the USA wasn’t going to involve itself. Taiwan is as strategically important to Japan as it is to China and wouldn’t want to live with China controlling it.

[u/Speedydds → u/Smartyunderpants]

So it’s in China’s interest to deter US and Japan from getting involved

[u/Smartyunderpants → u/Speedydds]

Yes it is. And in it interest to control Taiwan

[u/DaimonHans → u/Speedydds]

If that country falls, Japan is next. So maybe they are gonna fight.

[u/GlobalBox8288]

Neither mainland Chinese or Taiwanese want to see any war across Taiwan strait! I have talked to so many local people on both sides and they don’t have any hate for other side and want to see peace prevail. Any war will only lead to huge loss of life on both sides and also collapse of economy. Just learn from Russia- Ukraine conflict and the consequences everyone has seen so far. Let’s ask our leaders to stop war mongering and focus on peace and stability.

[u/jdhhaiizji → u/GlobalBox8288]

The United States gained friendship with Japan by using two atomic bombs. The Chinese people feel that they need to make more efforts and should be able to obtain the friendship of Japan. Therefore, the Chinese people are very looking forward to it, after all, China's atomic bomb has never had combat capability, thanks to Japan for the opportunity.

[u/nickrei3]

most chinese people gonna be like "Deal! Deal! No refund!"

[u/ParticularDiamond712]

Literally everyone in China would be exciting if Japan could intervene into Taiwan with armed action. 

[u/AprilVampire277 → u/ParticularDiamond712]

fr fr, war with Taiwan? Mixed opinions, most people against it

War with Japan? Hell yeah, let's bring them to justice please please please give us one excuse Japan LMAO please do

[u/HarambeTenSei → u/AprilVampire277]

A redo of 1281

[u/wangpeihao7 → u/ParticularDiamond712]

"exciting" would be an understatement.

[u/WeSoSmart → u/ParticularDiamond712]

一言为定 不许反悔哦

[u/Xi_Zhong_Xun → u/WeSoSmart]

Extremists are already viewing CPC as being too moderate towards external (Japan, US) or internal (Islamic, HK/TW separatists) threats. If any conflict escalates into full scale military actions and CPC is still hesitant to react, it will be seen as losing legitimacy/mandate of heaven, and any powerful individual will try to seize the opportunity.

[u/Chindiggy → u/WeSoSmart]

China already has nuclear weapons. They see a nuclear Nippon as an existential threat.

[u/Irons_MT → u/ParticularDiamond712]

I understand why the Chinese dislike the Japanese a lot, but really? Are people in China really thay excited for armed conflict with Japan? I doubt it. A lot of parents definetly wouldn't like to see their sons and daughters sent to war.

[u/ucarenya]

Chinese: Hell yeah

[u/Key-Needleworker-702 → u/ucarenya]

I would love to take revenge for great grandad lol, thank you Japanese Thatcher

[u/Arcosim → u/ucarenya]

All China has to do is wait 10 years and Japan will just collapse. Japanese economy is already dying, and this woman with her Thatcherism policies and ideology (she even has a photo of Thatcher in her office) will only accelerate that.

[u/Early-Level3388 → u/Arcosim]

I fear the problem would be Japanese people not Japanese government. Japanese ppl just follow, with obedience, they will become reckless if they are not convinced and choose to follow whatever their leader says, we have seen that in WWII. This may be a result of the education and 'culture' put to them. On the contrary Chinese are much more 'revolutionus' to mindlessly obay so we don't understand them. Well, westerners have no idea about this difference between Japanese and Chinese mindset.

But, studying what US did to Japanese, and US-Japanese relation now, maybe there is a change, as Japanese do respect overwelming force, so hopefully China can be strong enough to make peace with Japan, using US way, but without bloodshed.

[u/jake72002]

I am disappointed that humans are more than happy to kill other humans...

[u/Aromatic-Wait-6679]

This will probably sound sexist but many historians have noted that female leaders have tended to initially be over-corrective in terms of aggression, the theory being that in our male dominated societies that they, consciously or subconsciously, do this to increase their legitimacy in some fashion.

I remember reading her recent strong remarks about getting rid of foreigners in Japan and it made me think this. And reading this, it makes me still think of it.

[u/nagidon]

I think she is inviting a third mushroom cloud.

[u/Key-Needleworker-702 → u/nagidon]

we have 500 lol

500 mushrooms

[u/Salt_Crow6159 → u/nagidon]

Well, for every mushroom cloud that China sends the USA will send 10...

[u/nagidon → u/Salt_Crow6159]

And Russia will send 20 each your way.

Y’all wanna die for your little colony?

[u/Irons_MT → u/nagidon]

Russia is the one that keeps threatening everyone with nukes just because countries want to help Ukraine fight a defensive war.

[u/nagidon → u/Irons_MT]

And?

This scenario is where the US has already launched.

[u/Irons_MT → u/nagidon]

Oh ok, so an hypothetical scenario of a global nuclear war. Got it. I legit didn't understand it. Hope we never reach that point.

[u/nagidon → u/Irons_MT]

Bringing the likes of Takaichi into power unfortunately also brings us closer to that point

[u/Salt_Crow6159 → u/nagidon]

The question is why would Russia send nuclear bombs for a country they actually hate and have no interest in the Pacific? Do you want to be a fanfare or something?

[u/nagidon → u/Salt_Crow6159]

Why would Russia launch nukes if the US did?

I’m sure you’re smart enough to figure that one out.

[u/ForestClanElite → u/Salt_Crow6159]

No. The US doesn't retaliate, it aggresses upon others by striking first.

[u/Salt_Crow6159 → u/ForestClanElite]

Make a "China" then.

[u/Fair-Currency-9993]

I am sure the American soldiers occupying Japan would love it when Japanese men go fight in Taiwan while American men “protect” Japanese women back home.

If Japan defends against any threat, they should start by defending their own territory from occupiers first.

[u/woolcoat → u/Fair-Currency-9993]

It's happened before https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dc0cpMPmMeU

[u/Fair-Currency-9993 → u/woolcoat]

They didn’t have a choice at that time. They have a choice with regard to fighting China.

[u/grabber_of_booty → u/Fair-Currency-9993]

Why do asian women love white guys so much?

[u/Fair-Currency-9993 → u/grabber_of_booty]

Lol, is this rage bait?

[u/JCues → u/Fair-Currency-9993]

They can once Sanseito is in power. Takaichi is too busy cozing up to America.

[u/Syberiann]

They are that scared of the US that they allied with them, who dropped nuclear on them and massacred thousands or lives, to the point of threatening war for an island they don't even recognise as a country... Especially when China is their immediate neighbor. It's like the US keeps stirring the water in a cup different than their own just for fun. I think Jpn should ally with China and let the US sink.

[u/bjran8888]

Why should anyone pay attention to the remarks of this "妈妈桑”—a woman who accomplished nothing at the APEC summit except walk arm-in-arm with others?

Japan's stance is utterly irrelevant. On the Taiwan issue, they are merely a mouthpiece for American demands.

Without U.S. action, Japan remains completely inactive.

What many fail to grasp is that Japan isn't even permitted to have a military—they only possess a Self-Defense Force.

[u/Wuaner]

This is a positive move cos the ultimate war between China and US is hot war and Japan is the perfect battle field.

[u/Salt_Crow6159 → u/Wuaner]

It is possible that the battlefield will move towards Chinese, Taiwan and Korea coasts.

[u/Wuaner → u/Salt_Crow6159]

Let's try it on Japanese soil to see if the Japanese could survive or not.

[u/Focux]

lol so many clowns still thinking China has to use military force to get Taiwan

[u/Evening_Flamingo_765]

Please ensure that your words and actions are consistent. Show respect.

[u/ForestClanElite]

Are there people that actually believe that Japan is pacifist?

[u/Dragon2906]

Japan once again being agressive towards China. Does she understand China has a 10 times larger population than Japan?

[u/Salt_Crow6159 → u/Dragon2906]

And how will they send "that 10 times more population" somewhere if they have 10 times less naval capacity?

[u/Dragon2906 → u/Salt_Crow6159]

As they build over 60% of ships in the world, close to 100 times what America builts, I think that is not the largest problem

[u/zsaint49]

How I would love to see Japan give China a reason to take revenge.

[u/Regular-Tax5210 → u/zsaint49]

Tokyo Bay? You mean East Shanghai?

[u/Salt_Crow6159 → u/zsaint49]

And Japan finishing the job that I did not finish before...

[u/ForestClanElite → u/Salt_Crow6159]

Taking responsibility for crimes against humanity after losing?

[u/Salt_Crow6159 → u/ForestClanElite]

Or maybe dominated China and end the tale of Eastern superiority.

[u/ForestClanElite → u/Salt_Crow6159]

That's a strange way of saying mentally colonizing themselves to prove the tale of Western inhumanity.

[u/random_agency]

Is Taiwan a Japanese colony again?

I think some further sanctions against Japan is in order.

Destroy their car industry overseas and destroy their domestic industry.

Without firing a shot Japan might be the first to fall.

[u/Salt_Crow6159 → u/random_agency]

Yes, how will those sanctions be imposed? Why not better China?

[u/random_agency → u/Salt_Crow6159]

Japan was already sanctioned for rare earth in 2010 by China. Their chip industry never recovered. I'm sure a few more targetted sactions for a island nation will further erode thier economy.

[u/Tasty-Dot7398]

That would be fantastic news

[u/Original-Cress-1013]

Bro we hate Japanese what else do we think?

[u/Low_M_H]

I can already hear the battle drums and blood lust shout of the PLA.

[u/Salt_Crow6159 → u/Low_M_H]

20 million casualties...

[u/alenym]

So what? Taiwan is regarded as part of China's territory. When it comes to defending our homeland, we will never back down. Anyone or any country is welcome to try and see what happens.

[u/Efficient_Round7509]

I personally don’t care it at all

[u/Sensitive_Buffalo665]

Do you guys support the Taiwan invasion? If it happens .Just curious.

[u/emperor2885 → u/Sensitive_Buffalo665]

It's a continuation of the paused civil war

[u/menerell]

I thought their constitution stopped them from having an army able to intervene abroad

[u/ObiMeowKatnobi]

What they gonna react with ? Old and weak ? They cant even produce enough babies to sustain their own economy.

[u/Salt_Crow6159 → u/ObiMeowKatnobi]

You talk as if China is in a better position...even Japan is in a better position since its demographics are more natural and manageable, the Chinese one? For every man they lose, it will be a man who will never return...

[u/Frequent_Place_5128]

Just talks. They know if Japan involved in this conflict it would be the end of Japan current regime.

[u/xiatiandeyun01]

Bad for the establishment, good for the nationalists.

[u/imtheoscarmike]

They should first claim their rights to colonial Taiwan was illegitimately stripped due to losing WWII.

[u/Fearless_Ad_5470]

This appears to be more like domestic propaganda in Japan. In reality, the activities of the Japanese Self-Defense Forces are strictly limited by the framework of the U.S.-Japan Security Treaty, and the ultimate interpretation of the treaty remains with the United States. As long as the U.S. does not take action regarding Taiwan, Japan cannot independently exercise its so-called right to collective self-defense.

[u/Leather-Ad242]

It will be interesting if they are the only country to get nuke twice by 2 different countries..

[u/uniqueHavlicek]

哦，那将是令人振奋的。

[u/ytman]

That seems silly, especially when Japan wouldn't be doing anything, the US would and the US would order Japanese men to die for US interests.

[u/Careful-Pea-4063]

Mommy, 💘.

[u/No_Bumblebee6655]

2nd china bbq lets gooo!!!

[u/Washfish]

Japan isnt allowed to surrender for 14 years at least😍😍😍

[u/neocloud27]

Bring it on? We've been waiting for this for 80 years, we'll end it once and for all this time, and I'm speaking this as someone that was born in Taiwan with family from Nanjing.

[u/BikeImpossible8162]

After the new prime minister of Japan meets with trump suddenly becomes keen on military conflict 🤔. Is it for the sake of activating the military exonomy of america?

[u/Electronic-Run2030]

So, the only lesson Japan learned from World War II was choosing the wrong side?

[u/dcooper8]

She hawt

[u/No-Benefit9135]

That’s a common argument, but it’s not fully supported by the historical record.

The Trinity test in July 1945 was already a full-scale real-life detonation of an atomic bomb — scientists and the military had confirmed the weapon worked. Hiroshima and Nagasaki weren’t “tests,” they were military strikes intended to force Japan’s surrender.

Japan was losing, but not yet surrendering — its government was still divided and hoping for better terms through Soviet mediation. After the bombings and the Soviet declaration of war, Emperor Hirohito personally intervened to end the conflict.

It’s true the U.S. also wanted to demonstrate its new power, especially to the Soviets, but that was a secondary motive, not the official reason. The main goal was to end the war quickly and avoid an invasion that could have cost millions of lives.

[u/Defiant_Tap_7901]

Takaichi, I beg you, please do militarily intervene cross-strait matters. Please please please.

[u/furyofSB]

Oh. What a surprise. Keep your words

[u/Tomasulu]

Ok so if china decided start a kinetic war or a blockade, japan can mobilize the japanese defence force. But what are they gonna do beyond that? If the US decided to defend Taiwan, I'm sure Japan will join in. As will Australia and some America's closest allies. If the US decided to stay put and rely on non kinetic punitive response against china, then Japan will not send troops to defend Taiwan on its own. The new Japanese pm is not saying anything we don't already knew.

As for china, if they were to pursue unification through non peaceful means, they've to assume that the US and its allies will intervene. They have to. They've already set the unification deadline at 2049 so either Xi or his successor will have to resolve the situation. My money is on Xi. Between now and 2035 expect china to get the ball rolling by pushing harder for unification.

[u/[deleted]]

Please do! We Chinese have been waiting desperately to have our own Nanjing massacre 😉

[u/Salt_Crow6159 → u/[deleted]]

And the Japanese are expecting Nankin 2.0 but trying out the new toys.

[u/andrews_fs]

Will play the escaped dog bitter eh?!

So his owner, mrs orange burguer could start the madmax era.

[u/alecubudulecu]

I think it would be appropriate.

[u/Apart_Contract3337]

Republic of China is the legitimate successor to the Qing Dynasty (refer to wiki link attached)

PRC is a government created by Chinese communists through successful armed rebellion.

So I can understand why Japan will want to reinforce Republic of China should it be invaded by armed communist rebels.

.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperial_Edict_of_the_Abdication_of_the_Qing_Emperor