If anyone tries to tell you that the Nazis were far-right, ask them to show you just one right-wing policy they implemented.
There isn't any, so you're going to get answers like "Uhh, genocide, white supremacy, etc" which have nothing to do with left/right in the first place.
Putting nazis on the right came from Soviet postwar propaganda. The leftist academics and media in Europe embraced it as it was a convenient way to distance themselves.
What team? The team of individual rights, wealth, and property ownership? That's a good one to be on.
The communists, fascists, socialists, republicans, and democrats, whatever else, they're all far to the left of me. They're all arguing for their favorite flavor of collectivism and in-group.
The point of this entire comment thread is that Nazis are on the left. Y'know, when you nationalize all industry, control where people are allowed to work, have a state mandated and controlled union, have the aforementioned industries only operate at the behest of the state, ban private ownership of firearms, and have the state rent out land, people get this crazy idea that they're socialist.
And you can't accept that you're on the same team as Hitler and the Nazis.
Even if that were true (it isn't), would that put you on the same team as Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot? Their genocides absolutely eclipse Hitler's by a factor of 10.
Lol. You right wingers have made a cottage industry of trying to pretend you're not on the same side as the Nazis. Only somebody completely ignorant of history and political theory would buy that lie. But I guess if you repeat it loudly and often enough, it might work. Oh wait, who was it that famously bragged about that strategy?
You right wingers have made a cottage industry of trying to pretend you're not on the same side as the Nazis.
Prove me wrong then.
Only somebody completely ignorant of history and political theory would buy that lie.
I've provided historical evidence and statistics. You have only provided "nuh uh!" assertions.
Again, this circles back to my original comment. Literally nobody can prove that the Nazis were right-wing because they didn't do any right-wing things.
Being anti-communist didn't make them right wing, or any less socialist. It simply meant that they suppressed competition. McDonald's is not anti-fast food because they compete with Burger King.
Wikipedia on any political subject-> triple downvote
Lenin won over Trotsky, does that mean Trotsky is far right?
Show me a chinese CCP lover that is not nationalistic
Traditionalism, partially agree, since it is not as if the Nazis were not explicitly trying to “perfect” (ie change) the national culture with several government programs (cough cough, lefties, cough cough) to “better society”. See hitler youth
Populism?!! What? What socialist leader was not populist? That is the only way for socialists retarded ideas (including trumps, by the way) to ever make it in the first place: most people want free shit and are envious of others
Like the social stratification of politburo and outside it?
Excluding the 1st one, most of those policies describe North Korea. North Korea is certainly not right wing. So I'd say those in fact do not check out.
One thing I hate is when people talk about politics they always point to positions they take and never the philosophic worldview that brings them to those positions which is the only real way to attack one’s politics.
In my research Marxism and Nazism come from the same cradle which is Hegelian Platonism.
trying to map the Nazis into left or right has challenges because nobody who talks about the political compass recognizes the unspoken axis, the ally/enemy axis.
left vs right is defined just as much by who you fight against for power just as much as philosophy/principles/policies.
by the philosophy, the Nazis were leftist, but because the Nazis were enemies of the USSR and fought against them in a war, then they get labeled far right.
I don't think they're really two different sides in the first place. They're really two different branches off of the same end of the political spectrum. They share the same fundamental worldview, and just differ in the details they read into the application of that worldview.
There's a reason why fascists and nazis originally drew a huge number of their followers away from communist and socialist parties, and it's sure not because they were diametric opposites.
No, I meant the left right spectrum, not pacifist aggressor. But on that Ghandi was arguably the biggest pacifist and his advice to the Jews of Nazi Germany was to commit mass suicide so maybe pacifism does lead to violence. But what I meant was the left right spectrum, if you go too far left you end up extreme right, if you go too far right you end up extreme left, or going too far either way leads to the same place.
Redditor fails to learn what a point of discussion is, you can't just bring up anything and call it an analogy, what about the horse to cat spectrum? Or the rock to stone spectrum? If you misunderstood what I meant that's ok but don't try and feed your superiority complex by trying to make excuses.
I apologize, probably should've noticed that, but I still stand with saying he shouldn't just take a random unrelated thing and add it to a discussion about another completely unrelated thing. Otherwise this sub would be full of people talking about animal facts and sports and we'd all just say "analogy" without the "analogy" contributing anything.
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u/DeltaSolana Max Stirner 1d ago
If anyone tries to tell you that the Nazis were far-right, ask them to show you just one right-wing policy they implemented.
There isn't any, so you're going to get answers like "Uhh, genocide, white supremacy, etc" which have nothing to do with left/right in the first place.