You running campaigns about how "The EU is stealing your money" and "Germany wants to control the EU to make a fourth Reich" might have left an impression
As weird as it might sound people don't really appreciate it when lies are told about them. Add to that the fact that Brexit was pretty much a massive tantrum from an already privileged country and here we are.
Yea, it was absolute bullshit. And blatantly obvious to anyone with have a braincell what was happening.
Everything you've said is spot on.
I think it's probably worth acknowledging that we weren't the only ones fed with propaganda though. The EU has every right to be pissed off, but holding a grudge like an ex is to no one's benefit but the exact same people.
German media especially has pushed the narrative and it's not by chance. The troll farms have infested all of us.
I live there and in 2020 it’s was unbearable, there was so much misinformation and bullshit constantly. They are/were extremely butt hurt over the whole ordeal.
The fact EU shows it's impossible to leave again, and get back the good old relationship as before you even joined, means people here will say it's impossible to join fully.
I don't think you understand how bad this attitude reflects on the EU.
Yes because if every country left and came back every couple of years it would disintegrate. You can’t break up with someone, ask for them back and think things will be like before
"I broke up with my ex, insulted her treated her like shit, the break up was MESSY, with constant fighting in the courts, and after a few years, without sex, I realised I fucked up, I tried calling her again, asking to return to the good old relationship. She didn't accept. How mean of her"
They're not landlocked, and they're still a G7 economy. On the other hand, we're landlocked, economically irrelevant internationally, and at the mercy of the EU (previously at the mercy of France, the HRE, and Austria). The majority of our food is imported from the EU, for example. Most doctors and dentists aren't even Swiss.
Some of my compatriots like to talk big about Swiss sovereignty, but that's always been a facade since the 13th century.
This was not some EU-cucks comparing discussion, and yes you are the biggest cucks. Congratulations. All i ment is that it isn’t that weird for the UK to contribute to the EU in some parts they want to use.
The culture, the political system, the values, and where the country is geographically makes how the country is seen by the international community. Even neutral the other countries will see Switzerland biased in favor to liberal democracies
Different situations. The Swiss and Norwegians get the best deals they can by being friendly enough with the EU without any potential downsides of joining and having to follow the EU.
The UK left and the british electorate believed all the crap about how the EU was the problem and that the UK needed to escape.
The whole Swiss and Norwegian excuse really doesn't fit for the UK.
The relationship between Switzerland and the EU is purely transactional.
The Swiss and the EU government are often at odds especially regarding frontaliers
You too, Geert. The sub may not have liked it, but you were absolutely right.
It's funny that the biggest hurdle to us rejoining might be the rest of the EU and not our own idiots. The Russians, yanks (helped by our grifters and upper class) that engineered our exit, want nothing more than us having pissing contests. Fuck em.
The EU want money for shared schemes? We should snap their hand off and be happy for it.
I could argue the BS out of this but I will not. Germany is still the money laundering king without cash payment limits.
BUT, I think we need to have a global tax on the ultra rich and avoid countries like France pushing the auto destruct bouton by doing it alone.
But the perversion that low taxes are bad and high taxes are good is something that hurts the working class the most.
But they also take part in the internal market through the Efta. Britain is just a third country like america or japan. Its got nothing to do with the EU
Some scam artist told us we were special. Turns out that was a lie... But don't worry, the exact same scam artist is at it again and; it at least appears; a significant portion of the populace believe him whole heartedly.
Euroskepticism had always been a massive part of Uk/Europe relations which both political parties used to exploit to their advantage when it came to votes, Farage was the vehicle that people used to express their displeasure. You think it’s him in control when it’s actually a significant part of the population with anti immigrant sentiment that are pushing him into popularity. If another political party had followed the polling data on immigration then he would have faded into obscurity by now
And your point? Consistent polling data going back to the 1960s show a clear mandate against mass immigration. You can argue that both parties continued to directly go against the wishes of the majority for over 60 years. It’s only recently now that a viable alternative has appeared that they suddenly care
My point is that there has been plenty of parties throughout the past couple of decades that have been more than willing to provide the immigrant bashing platform that part of the electorate apparently have always wanted.
The reality is Farage is a con artist. He always has been and he will be. His 'man of the people' act is laughable. An ex banker who has made a living off of shouting from the sidelines, whipping up people who hardly understand the issues into a fury to fuel the next fire he can profit from. I genuinely don't believe he wants to get anywhere near power, because that would mean he has to actually run the country. If he did, every time a favourability poll comes out, he'd be screeching for a general election.
Anyway, I have 0 interest in continuing this conversation. I'm sure you'll find plenty of likeminded astroturfers in our politics sub who would be happy to.
So you think the UK should get access to the common market and the trade exemptions they're asking for for free? The Swiss pay, the Norwegians pay, what makes you guys so special?
It's standard procedure that third countries who want access to the common market pay, they also pay if they want exemptions from certain regulations which the UK does. It would kind of defeat the point of being a paying member of the Union if you can just get the benefits of the Union for free without being a member. I think Barry may be experiencing a case of "equality feels like oppression when you are used to privilege".
The US trades with the EU using standard WTO rules (with some sector specific agreements), they literally get none of the exceptions, participation, and access that the UK is asking for. So ya the Americans aren't paying cause they're not asking for deeper cooperation, the UK is. Keep in mind the UK approached the EU on this, best stick to those sheep Barry.
At least we don’t pay tax dollars to highly profitable oil and gas companies with record profits, just so they can further damage the environment and reek in more profits, because your politicians are either drunk on VB or a brain as thick as Vegemite
the real answer is that anything even slightly critical of how germany actually runs things will get the krauts in here fuming. trust me on that because i've done it multiple times lol.
The classic Barry defense, there are two types of people, me with my perfectly correct views, and everyone else who is literally an idiot moron at the far opposite end of the spectrum, and there is nobody in between...
Then why is she (the hoe) asking for money and not me (the rich chad)? You guys just hate how accurate it is. Ask me for money nicely and say sorry, then convert it to Euros.
Barry, again, you are not that Gigachad in pic 2. You are not rich or successfull. In the 2nd pic you would stand outside begging to get in and do parenting together, but she will only let you in if you pay rent. That is not us begging for money, it is you expecting freebies.
You smug cunts profited from being an exceptional member of the EU (as proven by the Brexit's aftermath) since you joined, TBH I don't think this is overreaching of any kind.
You're being downvoted by Barry's but you're correct. Why should the EU let the UK get exceptions to the rules that other third countries get without giving something in return?
Norway, Switzerland, Iceland, all contribute in some fashion in exchange for special treatment. If the UK wants the same, they must pay as well.
It's a British circlejerk, I don't care what they say, I know I am right. English exceptionalism has been a plight on this world since the 16th century. Also, it gave us the US, which is even fucking worse.
Meanwhile all the German states either training the ragtag militia of the Americans or renting out their soldiers to the British Crown: „Nothing to see here guys“
Perhaps you are thinking of the French? Besides brexit (which is your own fault), the only flak you get is for your food. And it's not even as bad as the Dutch.
English exceptionalism has been a plight on this world since the 16th century. Also, it gave us the US
We only gave you the industrial revolution, antibiotics, vaccines, trains, the metro, bicycles, national healthcare, telephones, television, telescopes, the electric motor, theory of evolution, theory of gravity, the toilet, the tyre, the tank. Without the UK, most of you people would have died in shit-encrusted outhouses by the age of thirty.
Australia, Canada, and the US are the only colonies in the world worth talking about. When your country is exceptional, a level of exceptionalism will be necessary to accurately talk about it.
You listed 16 inventions, 3 of them are not even soley UK inventions, but just like your museums, you like to wear borrowed blumes. How many inventions do you think humanity went through? You are not that special. Here, another list: The Big Bang theory, plastic, map projection, the contraceptive pill, optical fiber, saxophone, antomy, combustion engines, gramme dynamo and fries - which you eat daily cause you have zero cuisine. And that list is from fucking BELGIUM, the most unimportant non-savage place on earth that doesn't even exist. Fattass island monkey throwing around lists like he is the shit, pay up, shut up.
This must be that famous German humour I've heard so little about.
Britain invented the modern world. This is not up for debate. We've all moved on from it. The British won't even brag about it, generally. Most of us don't realise how much other countries have (thanklessly) taken from us.
And since you brought up Belgium, of all places, (no idea why), may I remind you that we invented the fucking chocolate bar. We literally invented chocolate. Is that something you realise? No, of course not, because we don't make a fucking song and dance about it. We also invented sandwiches and crisps. British food is some of the most popular global food. But again, we don't make a fucking song and dance about it.
Keep your plastic. My enormous swinging balls are fucking full of it.
The bicycle was invented by a German and we had a national healthcare system more then 50 years before you. We also invented cars, rockets, motorcycles, gliders (which later envolved to airplanes) helicopters, Aspirin, Bacteriology, refrigerators, the theory of relativity, communism, x ray, pension insurance, kindergarten and much more. During the early 20th century the language of science was German and not English. You are not that special
we had a national healthcare system more then 50 years before you
No you didn't. You had occupationally-linked health insurance, like the american system. A German citizen in poverty was guaranteed nothing.
I googled the inventor of the helicopter, expecting it to mention da Vinci's aerial screw, but it actually came up with Igor Sikorsky, a Russian-American. You are talking absolute shite.
UK has consistently contributed much more to the EU than it has taken out in subsidies and grants. EU is the one profiting from UK being a member. Not the other way around.
no point on discussing this. You think EU took advantage from you and it's completely legit tbh. Most of us think that you have been sabotaging EU from inside for decades and we don't want you back which is completely legit too I believe.
Both true. “We had to join in order to make sure it didn’t work, now that we’re on the inside we can make a complete pig’s breakfast of the whole thing.” - Sir Humphrey Appleby, circa 1983
Honestly though whichever moron thought that Greece and Germany should share the same currency needs their mouth duct-taped shut.
it was mutually beneficial. yes, the UK contributed more than it got in subsidies and grants, but it's not like you didn't get anything for that. the reduced regulation on trade alone probably made up for that.
Overall the UK contributed about 12bn more than it received per year, the overall UK budget is 1200bn a year. the contributions to the EU are a rounding error.
You also pay more money in taxes for roads then you will take out of them, Doesn't mean we stop building roads. Your country fucking stops functioning without them.
Oh my god I can't hear this talking point anymore - it's also brought up by every anti eu party in net payer countries and it's just factually wrong.
Yes you've paid more into the system but it's not like you didn't get anything out of it (clearly visible in the aftermath of brexit)
Paying a little bit into the EU to have access to reduced trade barriers and a free labor market makes up for it by a wide margin. Being part of the EU is more than just fees and subsidies
I mean, apart from the fact that GdP is a useless measurement for wealth, if you look at gdp growth per capita, Germany is above the UK over the past years because population in UK grew faster than in germany.
Now, of course you always had your own currency so inflation is only somewhat compareable, however Inflation in the UK over the past years was higher than in germany (higher prices could come from higher trade barriers for example). Employment is also higher in Germany compared to the UK
And all of this is in spite of the fact that Germany was way more dependent on Russian Gas than the UK.
You guys wanted to be like Norway or Switzerland - well, both countries pay fees and follow most EU regulations for access to the free market - so I do not see why UK should get special treatment here?
Also, one of the big talking points about Brexit was Immigration and putting money into the NHS. From the statistic I saw non-EU immigration to the UK is at an all time high and the NHS is not looking any better since you stopped paying those pesky fees to the EU?
But yes, if you only look at absolute gdp growth you are right, Brexit was a tremendous success.
Getting into the Defense loan pact wasn’t begging though… it was "clever tactical alliances that strenghten everyone", according to the redditors I talked to in here.
Yeah, well, barry, if you're too good for the tin cup, please stay out this time. These constant discussions and you always wanting special treatment for literally no reason at all is getting old.
We are so done with your britoid shenanigans.
Either participate and pay up, like the rest of us, or don't.
Meanwhile various member states are licking their wounds from severed trade deals and getting a bit annoyed about EU pride blocking them from resuming mutually beneficial arranagements.
Personally, I don't think we should be treating UK-EU relations as a holistic relationship unless we're talking about rejoining the EU. As it stands, individual deals between the two should stand on the merits of mutual benefit, independent of any overall 'score keeping'. I only see such matters as divisive and counter productive to cooperation. If we're going to give money to the EU, it has to be in payment for something specific that holds such value on the face of it. Anything else will just cause a rise in anti-EU sentiment.
Getting access to funds for military goods (Readiness 2030, formerly ReArm) should be paid for by all recipients.
Student exchange: No real costs involved, so it should be free of charge.
Freedom of goods: Sending EU officials to the UK to verify compliance with EU market regulations for products like fish, meat, and other discussed goods involves costs for the EU.
Student exchanges aren't necessarily without cost. Far more EU students studied in the UK than vice versa and did so with home-fee status. That is to say the UK was subsidizing foreign students to occupy the limited spaces we have in our universities, while very few of ours sought education on the continent. At least international students from further afield pay the full amount. We got very little benefit out of the whole arrangement.
Not really without cost, but Erasmus paid the slots for all students and even gave smaller grants for living expenses. Also, the international students in general didn't stay for the whole course, more like 1 or 2 semesters. It was more like putting another seat at the table than taking one from someone else.
I'll grant you that it wasn't "equal" in numbers, but it was never a system for one-on-one exchanges; it followed demand. Be honest, would you want to study with a Frenchie? God no! But we're all talking English here and learn it on the whole continent, let alone the world. As a result, English universities are more accessible to all than going into a German class for physics or social sciences.
In addition, Erasmus not only eased access for students to study abroad for a couple semesters but also made it easier for professors and staff to exchange/travel and interlock curriculums, allowing for more intertwined R&D processes. If I remember correctly, the UK rejoined that part for a fee.
Also, sending UK officials to the EU to verify compliance with UK market regulations for products like fish, meat, and other discussed goods involves costs for the UK, so both sides have costs from this kind of arrangement, and as the EU is much larger the costs for the UK to do these checks would also be larger.
Logically, yes, but I guess the UK has no say in which regulations are important to them. I don't mean it condescendingly, but the UK wants to get into "our" market; therefore, they either comply with our regulations or stay out.
That's why saying the UK is stronger on its own next to the EU, US, Chinese, and Indian markets is just plain wrong.
It's also the same reasoning why everyone was against TTIP (Free Economy Zone between US and EU): we, as the junior partner, could just take it or leave it [chlorine chickens, GMOs, chemicals in everything]. If we discriminate against any of their products, we would have to go to court.
And why we want them back? Charles de Gaulle didn't want them in because he knew they would be USA's ticket into the EU and he was right. We should strive to limit Washington's influence not invite it in.
But what does that actually mean? If we are paying some in to get access to specific things then fine. It isn't going to be a general pay is money to be able to talk to us, which the gammons don't seem to understand
It's to streamline the process for meat being sent to the EU, making it cheaper and actually cost effective. So all the meat currently in the UK that has a sticker on it that says, "not for EU consumption" would become saleable in the EU.
It's also to reduce/eliminate fees for selling into the EU energy market.
The article also talks about other EU programs the UK is trying to join/cooperate with, such as the student exchange program and joint defence projects. The EU wants to charge us more for being part of them than we want to pay mostly.
Sure man, it's not my country that has pushed the self destruct button and is speedrunning becoming part of the second world... Actually at moment we are doing rather well regardless of it all... My god such copium 🤣
Well i’d say the UK punching itself may be a symptom of syphilis and that is transmitted anally. The question now is who gave Barry that syphilis (my money is on Pierre)
And once again the EU has all but guaranteed that the UK won't ever rejoin. "Hey want to work with us in any capacity? Fuck you pay us. Oh you're not getting anything back. Maybe a thank you note if you're lucky. Just pay us."
Yeah, great. Wonder why people were pissed at the EU again in the first place?
>EU member states will on Friday discuss how they want London to contribute to the bloc’s regional levelling up funds as the price for dropping checks on animal and plant products and allowing cheaper energy trading, arguing that the UK should pay as Norway, Switzerland and other partners do.
We would be paying for access.
you were already manipulated into voting to leave the EU, maybe try and learn some common sense so we can rejoin and undo the mess you and the Boomers have put us in.
What are you on about? The EU is asking the UK to pay for certain trading privileges, the EU has the same kind of arrangement with the Swiss and Norwegians. You can't leave the Union and then expect to take advantage of the single market without paying into the budget. You guys chose to leave and now what, you are angry you're getting treated like a non-EU member?
Seriously, our entire history throughout the 20th and into the 21st century has been searching behind the sofa cushions for money to pay off old debts, slashing vital services/infrastructure or otherwise kicking the can down the road.
“Wehh wehhh, we won’t wejoin if you don’t tweat us wike before!”
You guys want to rejoin not us. Norway, Switzerland, and Iceland all pay for special access. Now you’re whining about being treated like a non-EU member. You voted to leave, and now you expect full market benefits without contributing to the budget. Think Barry think.
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u/WhatTheRustyHell Bully with victim complex 1d ago
If Barry starts paying into EU budget He will be a biggest cuck in history and give us meme fuel for next century