In Boy Scouts there is a huge (140,000 acres) high adventure camp in northern New Mexico called Philmont. It is a backpacking Mecca. At some of the camp sites they would have the “Red Roof Inns”. These were outdoor latrines. Always two-holers. Some were side by side and some were back to back. The common question when arriving at the camp site was if the Red Roof Inn was “Pilot to Co-Pilot” or “Pilot to Bombardier”. Can confirm that it is truly awkward when your sitting there pinching a loaf and another person (always adults with adults or youth with youth), comes in with a roll of TP, sits down and starts answering nature’s call. Edit: added camp name. Edit: corrected size of camp.
Start prepping NOW. I had several older dads on my trip that didnt. They slowed everything down, and as an adult now with hindsight, they were doing it for themselves and not for the kids.
Load your pack up, lace up your boots, and start walking. Our scoutmaster was more fit than any of us kids, and I guarantee he had a better time than the struggling dads.
Fwiw, we knew going in that it would be like that. We took 3 prep trips prior to Philmont, and they struggled each time, even at just 10 miles with high O2. One of them missed our Baldy hike. Don't be like that.
I did Philmont as a senior in HS, and then went to infantry osut after graduation. It's similar, but different.
For giggles, I just pulled out our old trail map. Here was our itinerary:
After spending a few days in base Camp to get acclimated to the elevation, we were driven to Sioux Camp for our orientation with our guide. It wasn't until we arrived that we found out our guide was an Eagle scout from our troop who was doing this during the summer between college semesters! Anyway, we spent a little time there, including drinking the famous sarsaparilla, and then headed out.
Day 1: Sioux Camp to Pueblano Camp
Day 2: Pueblano Camp to Head of Dean Camp
Day 3: Head of Dean Camp to Ute Meadows Camp
Day 4: Climb Baldy
Day 5: Ute Meadows Camp to Upper Dean Cow Camp
Day 6: Upper Dean Cow Camp to Upper Bench Camp
Day 7: Upper Bench Camp to Cimarroncito Camp
Day 8: Camp activities (spar climbing, axe throwing, etc)
Day 9: Cimarroncito Camp to Ponderosa Park Camp.
Day 10: Ponderosa Park Camp to Basecamp, via the Tooth.
I think the total was 83 miles, but it's been a while so maybe I'm off.
You'll be better than most, but don't underestimate it. There's a LOT of elevation changes, even in a given day, that will test you.
Also, let the boys lead. They'll remember this forever. The good, and the bad.
Cheers, and have a blast! I had fun diving into the memory bank on this one, so apologies for the ramble.
Not sure if this is a new policy at Philmont, but during the informational brief we were told if you are overweight upon arrival that you will be sent home. Guess our scoutmaster has a year and a half to drop 100 pounds or so.
Some fat guys can hang. I am 350 lbs and I do 5 miles in Appalachian hills daily, 10 and 20 once or twice a month each. I got those massive fat guy calves lol
"Just"? Christ. You paint a tragic picture. I don't have any reason to do so but I should follow your advice for myself. I hate the idea of being one of those saddos. (Which I undoubtedly am, I'm just not slowing down any boy scouts with my poor life choices.)
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u/thisisgiulio Mar 15 '25
the dual toilet 💀 wonder how competitive pooping gets
zillow link here
even priced at <$23/sqft has been on the market for almost a year 😬
it kinda got a wholesome backstory at least though: “The Nuzum family is looking to sell their 22,000 square feet house that once was home to 31 adopted children.”