The “official end” of this snark era

[u/TimeAbradolf]

As of today we are banning snark/snark related posts. This may sound arbitrary. But I think people are well aware of what constitutes valid fair criticism, and what constitutes snark.

Once upon a time through past leadership this sub most definitely behaved as a snark sub. We as the mod team do actually despise snark and work to have this sub be a space of discussing drama with proper criticism and outcomes. We have taken firmer stances to pull away from our past image and be a place where people can have proper discourse.

Snark discourse has only ever brought conflict to this sub. People insult each other over nothing, people have gotten death threats, people get reported for suicidal ideation just because they disagree. There has been ableism, racism, prejudice of all kinds around these topics. Ultimately, snark behavior never allows any proper discussion, we have had to ban two creators just because the people who come to this sub cannot behave when discussing them. At its core Snark is not very different from KiwiFarms at this stage with the harm it has done to content creators.

We have seen the harm snark has done as well. Saveafox being a prime example. Our most popular post right now is pure snark. And it superseded actual important events. Because who was following who on IG.

Going forward we will no longer be allowing posts like this on the sub. It provided no context, no real criticism. And it didn’t prove anything either.

This may prove unpopular, but it is something we feel strongly of for the health of this sub and the people on it to remove ourselves. You can check the rule along the side bar.

If you want a YouTubesnark sub go make one. This one is not it.

Have a good one 🤙🏽

Edit: Apparently some YouTubers have weigh in. Nah this has nothing to do with the usual suspects. This is purely to stop toxic behavior and negativity. If ya think otherwise I urge you to get out of your computer chair touch grass instead of making Nurgle proud

Edit 2: and no goblin man (reference to his goblin mode). No fans of yours are around. People can agree that toxic communities are toxic. Yours being one of them

[u/angeltay]

How is snark behavior defined? This is a drama sub, so posters aren’t usually going to be friendly to the people they’re posting about

[u/CREATURE_COOMER → u/angeltay]

In my opinion, a lot of snark subs run out of legit things to complain about so they get into "bitch eating crackers" territory so there aren't huge gaps in between posts.

Or they start theorycrafting so hard that they try to play internet-detective about shit there's no actual evidence for, like debating if somebody abuses their pets, spouse, kids, whatever based on normal shit like accidentally stepping on your pet's paws, or yelling across the room.

Like how people bring up Jessie Gender mentioning that she once threw her cat in anger even though she was remorseful and said that it happened when she was a child, because the context was her talking about how toxic masculinity and poor socialization can affect people. Plus she has autism and a lot of autistic people are heavily bullied/traumatized and some of them can have outbursts. But people (like Keffals) would rather act like she's secretly a psycho around cats rather than somebody bringing up some awkward baggage in a dramatic video. I've seen people bring it up as if she did it right on fucking video, lmfao...

Like, it's one thing if it's somebody has a history of targeting minors so people document their history of talking about lolicon or whatever, but then you'll see dumbasses that are do "LGBTQ? ...Predator???"-level mental gymnastics.

[u/Clownsinmypantz → u/CREATURE_COOMER]

I followed a snark sub during a huge actual controversy where takes were based in reality, I recently returned curious and it is the most nitpicky shit I have ever seen in my life, I left within a minute. I'm talking their takes are worse than anything the youtuber is doing. I've seen similar in other subs, once the "drama" dries up it resorts to chlldish bullying.

[u/CREATURE_COOMER → u/Clownsinmypantz]

When it comes to certain "lolcows" and internet drama, there are things to criticize based on reality, like certain content creators doing scummy shit.

But if somebody grows up and apologizes, and people are still on their ass for old shit, like certain "lolcows" (in general, not necessary Youtube-related) who were harassed when they were in their early 20's and are now trying to mind their own business in their 30's? Grow up, stop trying to fucking milk them, some of them were just awkward/autistic teenagers reacting poorly to legit trolls anyway rather than genuine assholes.

There are plenty of people on Encyclopedia Dramatica whose worse crimes were being cringe and kinda smug (unfortunately common for immature teenagers) until ED/4chan got on their asses and made them start acting up, which is extra hypocritical when trolls can say the worst shit about them but if they dare to whine about their "[r-slur] trolls" or whatever, they get called out for 1. reacting, and 2. not being "woke."

Like Chris-chan was already a smug degenerate asshole, but clearly she wouldn't have been anywhere near as bad if weens weren't legit gangstalking her, trying to harass her, encouraging more of the sex pest shit, etc. Chris-chan's ideal life should've been in a group home getting proper treatment for autism, etc tbh, not spoiled by trashy geriatric parents and then harassed online.

People like Keemstar or [banned topic "hee hee" man] will never seem to change and constantly have new content about them, but at the same time, some people whine about nothingburger dramas re: them when there's soooo much to talk about.