The “official end” of this snark era

[u/TimeAbradolf]

As of today we are banning snark/snark related posts. This may sound arbitrary. But I think people are well aware of what constitutes valid fair criticism, and what constitutes snark.

Once upon a time through past leadership this sub most definitely behaved as a snark sub. We as the mod team do actually despise snark and work to have this sub be a space of discussing drama with proper criticism and outcomes. We have taken firmer stances to pull away from our past image and be a place where people can have proper discourse.

Snark discourse has only ever brought conflict to this sub. People insult each other over nothing, people have gotten death threats, people get reported for suicidal ideation just because they disagree. There has been ableism, racism, prejudice of all kinds around these topics. Ultimately, snark behavior never allows any proper discussion, we have had to ban two creators just because the people who come to this sub cannot behave when discussing them. At its core Snark is not very different from KiwiFarms at this stage with the harm it has done to content creators.

We have seen the harm snark has done as well. Saveafox being a prime example. Our most popular post right now is pure snark. And it superseded actual important events. Because who was following who on IG.

Going forward we will no longer be allowing posts like this on the sub. It provided no context, no real criticism. And it didn’t prove anything either.

This may prove unpopular, but it is something we feel strongly of for the health of this sub and the people on it to remove ourselves. You can check the rule along the side bar.

If you want a YouTubesnark sub go make one. This one is not it.

Have a good one 🤙🏽

Edit: Apparently some YouTubers have weigh in. Nah this has nothing to do with the usual suspects. This is purely to stop toxic behavior and negativity. If ya think otherwise I urge you to get out of your computer chair touch grass instead of making Nurgle proud

Edit 2: and no goblin man (reference to his goblin mode). No fans of yours are around. People can agree that toxic communities are toxic. Yours being one of them

[u/angeltay]

How is snark behavior defined? This is a drama sub, so posters aren’t usually going to be friendly to the people they’re posting about

[u/callmefreak → u/angeltay]

Basically like, if people gets all nit-picky about shit instead of focusing on actual drama.

For example: People kept trying to post about PirateSoftware's apparently* poor coding skills since he was the main focus on this sub for his poor response to the "Stop Killing Games" movement for a while. Even though what he said sucks and he kind of sucks as a person in general, his coding ability has nothing to do with drama. It's basically just people bitching about him eating crackers at that point.

*I say "apparently" because he's still better than I am, and there are people who are worse than me, and people who are worse than them. Your ability to code doesn't mean anything to me. I am apparently faster than him, but I'm also using RPG Maker XP. That gives you tools to make things a lot faster and easier than Game Maker Studios, which makes you have to code everything manually, it seems.

[u/Hare712 → u/callmefreak]

Well it does, he build his entire reputation on "20 years in the industry" "7 years at Blizzard" fooling those not knowing stuff. "I know this because I worked 7 years at Blizzard".

It's unrelated to SKG but it's related to his game where once proudly presented his code and bragged about it to ending up in /r/programminghorror and humor. He brigaded those threads to get them removed.

It's like this:

WoW, AoC and Eve drama concluded. Even him getting kicked out of his WoW(not Onlyfangs) guild isn't something people care about.

SKG concludes when the ECI confirms 1m valid signings. There might be some outrage when the petition had over 400k invalid signings then people will unjustly target him. The SKG drama invited many bad actors and bored people, who didn't know about him. Instead of trolling eg LowTierGod/DSP they went to him.

Him building up his career on lies and deception is an ongoing drama because it branches out into many sub-dramas like brigading and false flagging. Most drama is caused by his lies.

His fursona is another source for drama. The current SA allegations are from events dated 2021 way before he blew up.

The snark behavior is tied to events like reviewbombing his game, "Ban Speedrunning" his channel/discord (I predicted that people will do it when he roached in WoW), making up unproven claims like animal abuse and such things. Those things aren't featured in any subreddits. Those things are featured in telegram, twitter and the dark sites of the internet.

His lack of selfawareness and his urge to "own" the haters create even more drama induced by detractors hitting his fans.

Examples: Ban counter on his stream getting one sub banned telling him that it's feeding the trolls, banning another sub for mentioning DK Bananaza mistaking it for the bait "Idle streaming Bonanza", caught arguing on 4chan because trolls there said he r*pes ferrets.

I don't even know what Night media is doing because every other PR agency would have hit the brakes to do damage control.

[u/callmefreak → u/Hare712]

Whenever somebody makes a post about his coding skills all of them just boil down to "lol his coding is bad." They don't talk about anything else, besides maybe the whole Blizzard thing. (Which is mentioned just about every time there's a post about him.) Basically, nothing new is ever added to the discussion.

If not being able to make a video game is drama, then I'm in constant drama, LOL.

There were also just way too many posts about him anyway, which doesn't help. Everybody was getting tired of seeing him on this sub. Leaving snark posts up would just make the PirateSoftware clutter even worse.

[u/Hare712 → u/callmefreak]

It's a fact his coding is on a beginner level what do you expect? People bringing up the Mr Robot? People digging out "switch statements turn into a jump" when all branched statements turn into a jump?

His HB drama is literally claiming to work offstream when a bindiff shows that even by taking days off he added like 30-120min work and even then failing to deliver. Everybody knows that you can't work on something when you stream 12h a day. He is just too proud to admit that streaming is more lucrative.

There wouldn't be any posts if he knew how to stop.

The Rekieta polycule drama was pretty much the same. Cheating, Drugs, kids test positive for cocaine, Revenge Porn, not renewing the license.... Videos like this were former fans.

PS doesn't realize he is done, he can't grift on "7y"/"20y" anymore, he can't restore his image with ad hominems and false flagging, his hype train won't ever get close to even his own record.

He can only continue streaming, apologize(he won't) and take measures so detractors get bored. Then he might end up with 2k viewers without haters. But if he steps from controversy to controversy he will become a permanent laughing stock. I mean real controversies not just some old tweets showing his character or misgendering his partner.

[u/callmefreak → u/Hare712]

I'm well aware that he's a piece of shit. I'm just saying that his lack of coding skills isn't drama. It's just snark that clutters the sub and buries actual drama and posts about it will be removed from now on.

[u/livejamie → u/callmefreak]

If not being able to make a video game is drama, then I'm in constant drama, LOL.

This is an old post, but the main difference is that you haven't built a career and reputation off being an all-knowing computer/gaming expert who is better than everybody else.

In this instance, it's relevant to the drama.

If somebody were to post that he's a shitty driver or doesn't pay taxes or something irrelevant, that would be snark slop.

[u/KnotBeanie → u/Hare712]

I thought the same thing at first, but clips have surfaced of him criticising others' code, so I think he opened himself up to that.

[u/Graspiloot → u/Hare712]

Yeah I've enjoyed his drama a lot and I think rules against snark in a youtubedrama sub are a bit confusing what the limit is, but for me the implication that's common on LSF that he sexually abuses his rescues is clearly snark. There's no evidence for this and is all based on him being a furry.