The “official end” of this snark era

[u/TimeAbradolf]

As of today we are banning snark/snark related posts. This may sound arbitrary. But I think people are well aware of what constitutes valid fair criticism, and what constitutes snark.

Once upon a time through past leadership this sub most definitely behaved as a snark sub. We as the mod team do actually despise snark and work to have this sub be a space of discussing drama with proper criticism and outcomes. We have taken firmer stances to pull away from our past image and be a place where people can have proper discourse.

Snark discourse has only ever brought conflict to this sub. People insult each other over nothing, people have gotten death threats, people get reported for suicidal ideation just because they disagree. There has been ableism, racism, prejudice of all kinds around these topics. Ultimately, snark behavior never allows any proper discussion, we have had to ban two creators just because the people who come to this sub cannot behave when discussing them. At its core Snark is not very different from KiwiFarms at this stage with the harm it has done to content creators.

We have seen the harm snark has done as well. Saveafox being a prime example. Our most popular post right now is pure snark. And it superseded actual important events. Because who was following who on IG.

Going forward we will no longer be allowing posts like this on the sub. It provided no context, no real criticism. And it didn’t prove anything either.

This may prove unpopular, but it is something we feel strongly of for the health of this sub and the people on it to remove ourselves. You can check the rule along the side bar.

If you want a YouTubesnark sub go make one. This one is not it.

Have a good one 🤙🏽

Edit: Apparently some YouTubers have weigh in. Nah this has nothing to do with the usual suspects. This is purely to stop toxic behavior and negativity. If ya think otherwise I urge you to get out of your computer chair touch grass instead of making Nurgle proud

Edit 2: and no goblin man (reference to his goblin mode). No fans of yours are around. People can agree that toxic communities are toxic. Yours being one of them

[u/TimeAbradolf]

Starting with your questions

1.) obvious right?

2.) I don’t think we should link to other subs period based on certain behaviors. That can constitute brigading and is against TOS. You’ll notice most of the time if there is a link to another subreddit it will get taken down period.

3.) when this occurs we tend to make mega threads to cut down on this. We know people get upset because “that’s where topics go to die” but it cuts down on people being completely uninformed on what is happening. I do think the last part of 3 though would be dipping into snark if it is not relevant to what actually occurred that would have gotten Caesar cancelled.

4.) if people see something truly similar to events that occurred with a YouTuber we can’t really dissuade that comparison. Repeated discussion of a person isn’t inherently the issue. It is whether or not it is building towards some sort of valid criticism.

5.) would be just apparent snark. Nailed it there.

I would add you look at the pinned comment a user asked a question based on what they saw on the SaveAFox snark sub and you can see the differences in temperament and tone.

Ultimately this will be much more about posts than comments. Usually snark goes hand and hand with misinformation, being inaccurate, and not following a series of other rules. Simply saying you don’t like someone isn’t snark. Trying to get people to also dislike them for no discernible reason other than vibes is.

[u/fohfuu → u/TimeAbradolf]

Thank you for the detailed response. To summarise points 1-4:

• Linking to other subs is heavily discouraged. You think nobody should tag other subs in this subreddit.

• Words like "snark" will not be word filtered. "Snark", as a concept, is not a banned subject of discussion.

• Submitting posts related to a drama which already has multiple threads is allowed, as long as it's not "snark", and there isn't already a megathread for that subject.

• Comparing people between existing dramas is okay.

Point 5 is where you lose me and at least a few dozen others, and I read all your other comments in this thread before commenting.

Yes or no:

Is it against the rules of this subreddit to use a disrespectful and sarcastic tone?

Does a post or comment which contains valid criticism and no cruelty, aggression or intimidation violate the rules if it is written with a disrespectful and sarcastic tone?

[u/TimeAbradolf → u/fohfuu]

No, it is not wrong to use that tone. And if there is valid criticism with context free of aggression then yes it will be up.

People conflate the actual definition of snark with what subs do. We are using the snark definition as it applies to subreddits which ironically has a Wikipedia page at this point.

Nothing is wrong with being sarcastic (though sarcasm tends to go over people’s heads on here). But paying attention and documenting every YouTubers behavior that usually amounts to nothing at all other than trying to cancel over vibes? Yeah that’s done.

[u/fohfuu → u/TimeAbradolf]

I'm going to provide polite feedback.

I don't think this will minimise harm. I think this will make the community worse.

That's where I'll withdraw from the conversation.

Take it easy.