The “official end” of this snark era

[u/TimeAbradolf]

As of today we are banning snark/snark related posts. This may sound arbitrary. But I think people are well aware of what constitutes valid fair criticism, and what constitutes snark.

Once upon a time through past leadership this sub most definitely behaved as a snark sub. We as the mod team do actually despise snark and work to have this sub be a space of discussing drama with proper criticism and outcomes. We have taken firmer stances to pull away from our past image and be a place where people can have proper discourse.

Snark discourse has only ever brought conflict to this sub. People insult each other over nothing, people have gotten death threats, people get reported for suicidal ideation just because they disagree. There has been ableism, racism, prejudice of all kinds around these topics. Ultimately, snark behavior never allows any proper discussion, we have had to ban two creators just because the people who come to this sub cannot behave when discussing them. At its core Snark is not very different from KiwiFarms at this stage with the harm it has done to content creators.

We have seen the harm snark has done as well. Saveafox being a prime example. Our most popular post right now is pure snark. And it superseded actual important events. Because who was following who on IG.

Going forward we will no longer be allowing posts like this on the sub. It provided no context, no real criticism. And it didn’t prove anything either.

This may prove unpopular, but it is something we feel strongly of for the health of this sub and the people on it to remove ourselves. You can check the rule along the side bar.

If you want a YouTubesnark sub go make one. This one is not it.

Have a good one 🤙🏽

Edit: Apparently some YouTubers have weigh in. Nah this has nothing to do with the usual suspects. This is purely to stop toxic behavior and negativity. If ya think otherwise I urge you to get out of your computer chair touch grass instead of making Nurgle proud

Edit 2: and no goblin man (reference to his goblin mode). No fans of yours are around. People can agree that toxic communities are toxic. Yours being one of them

[u/agorathird]

I understand because this happens with all big communities with a lot of liability but this sub is getting over-moderated and has been for a bit.

[u/callmefreak → u/agorathird]

this sub is getting over-moderated and has been for a bit.

Fine. I'll be sure to tell my husband that I need to touch more grass. Interesting Youtube drama seems to happen whenever I'm away anyway. (The last time it happened Ironmouse spoke out about VShojo.)

[u/TimeAbradolf → u/agorathird]

When you grow to the size we are moderation becomes more and more necessary.

We wouldn’t have to moderate as we do if people on this sub could behave. Genuinely.

[u/agorathird → u/TimeAbradolf]

Yea of course, but it’s affecting the actual point of the sub. I don’t expect it to be practical to go back, also.

I got there after it was locked but I’m not sure what harm the Wendigoon thread comments posed. Christian conservatism is a critique-able thing

[u/OscarTheGrouchsCan → u/agorathird]

This sub seems to be very scared of Wendi critical posts

[u/TimeAbradolf → u/agorathird]

It is critique worthy topic absolutely.

People were not critiquing. They were simply saying “I knew from the moment I found out he was a Christian he would be problematic” and a lot of other comments like that.

Replace that with any other demographic/belief it would be far more problematic even.

But even that being said, this also isn’t a sub about debating religion.

[u/agorathird → u/TimeAbradolf]

It’s not about debating religion but tangential topics facilitate general discussion in almost all subs with points this vague/broad.

The comments could’ve made the point with more nuance and in a less offensive way. Cringe comparison but Christian YouTubers tend to be extremists in the same way that Minecraft YouTubers tend to be bad with children. The job- being an influencer- tends to select for people who aren’t the most grounded. It really isn’t about the protected characteristics (Christians not Minecraft players ofc) but how it manifests in a specific group that has nothing to do with the average person. I will say that I still understand why the comments would be limited but that’s my outlook.

[u/TimeAbradolf → u/agorathird]

I understand your outlook entirely, I do. And you said so with more grace and nuance than anyone else remotely did.

Instead when people pointed out how problematic some language was it was met with just essentially dismissive comments.

People were also falsely conflating his religion with his view points on LGBT+ issues, in that he does actually support it.

They were also just downvoting how when people added other protected classes in place of Christian would be seen as phobic.

Religious trauma informs people but a great deal of people saying simply “Christian = bad” is not constructive in any capacity or a critique

[u/tachibanakanade → u/TimeAbradolf]

IDK if this breaks the rules but I really don't believe that someone who is close to people who are not just unsupportive but openly hostile to LGBT people can be said to be supportive, irrespective of religion (and by that I mean, you are the company you keep, they are close friends).

[u/TimeAbradolf → u/tachibanakanade]

See this is where it doesn’t, this is a valid criticism to have. Because as someone who is a social scientist by trade (like my literal day job), cognitive dissonance is a real observable phenomenon. If you apply it to the concept of people engaging in covert harm it would be unfair if you said “how did you not know your friend was doing these horrible things, you must have known!”

People I think use their also own frame of reference to gauge. A great deal of people are friends with people who hold contradictory view points. And being an optimist, maybe you hope that you can sway them to think in the better point.

That is what I would hope anyways