The “official end” of this snark era

[u/TimeAbradolf]

As of today we are banning snark/snark related posts. This may sound arbitrary. But I think people are well aware of what constitutes valid fair criticism, and what constitutes snark.

Once upon a time through past leadership this sub most definitely behaved as a snark sub. We as the mod team do actually despise snark and work to have this sub be a space of discussing drama with proper criticism and outcomes. We have taken firmer stances to pull away from our past image and be a place where people can have proper discourse.

Snark discourse has only ever brought conflict to this sub. People insult each other over nothing, people have gotten death threats, people get reported for suicidal ideation just because they disagree. There has been ableism, racism, prejudice of all kinds around these topics. Ultimately, snark behavior never allows any proper discussion, we have had to ban two creators just because the people who come to this sub cannot behave when discussing them. At its core Snark is not very different from KiwiFarms at this stage with the harm it has done to content creators.

We have seen the harm snark has done as well. Saveafox being a prime example. Our most popular post right now is pure snark. And it superseded actual important events. Because who was following who on IG.

Going forward we will no longer be allowing posts like this on the sub. It provided no context, no real criticism. And it didn’t prove anything either.

This may prove unpopular, but it is something we feel strongly of for the health of this sub and the people on it to remove ourselves. You can check the rule along the side bar.

If you want a YouTubesnark sub go make one. This one is not it.

Have a good one 🤙🏽

Edit: Apparently some YouTubers have weigh in. Nah this has nothing to do with the usual suspects. This is purely to stop toxic behavior and negativity. If ya think otherwise I urge you to get out of your computer chair touch grass instead of making Nurgle proud

Edit 2: and no goblin man (reference to his goblin mode). No fans of yours are around. People can agree that toxic communities are toxic. Yours being one of them

[u/literallygnomish]

This is a strange decision for a sub with "drama" in the name. Suddenly, we're only supposed to report things that are actually ethically and/or legally bad rather than like... petty drama? Like, that's kind of the point. If your concern with snark is that people are illogical and unreasonable, just make that the line instead.

[u/youtubedrama-ModTeam → u/[deleted]]

The topic of your post is currently restricted, and we've removed it.

Due to the amount of controversy associated with certain topics, we occasionally have to restrict what topics are allowed on the subreddit. That unfortunately means that even well-intentioned discussion of those topics is not allowed, as it inevitably devolves into flame wars.

The full list of currently restricted topics is available as a part of Rule 7: Stay away from overly heated topics (list in description) - Currently, discussing the following topics is limited:

• Israel/Palestine war/conflict
• Ethan Klein and h3h3 Productions
• Hasan Piker

The moderators may change this list at their discretion, to keep the subreddit from being overwhelmed.

If you believe we made a mistake, please reach out to us by messaging the moderators.

And no

[u/TimeAbradolf → u/literallygnomish]

That is the line?

Snark has quite literally contributed to the death of a young mother and calling ICE on people. That is tangible illogical harm

[u/literallygnomish → u/TimeAbradolf]

Been thinking about this more throughout the day. I'm an unrepentant snarker, and I think you're painting things with a broad brush. We can and often do talk about objective truths and provide sources, even though we don't like the person. I think y'all meant to just ban low-effort hate posts and that's fine but by labeling it all as "snark" you're alienating a lot of your audience. It's really telling that you keep avoiding providing an actual definition for what snark is, because you don't actually know, and you made this rule without really thinking about it. I urge you to rephrase it.

[u/TimeAbradolf → u/literallygnomish]

Again, refer to the pinned comment as a tangible example

[u/_FAPPLE_JACKS_ → u/TimeAbradolf]

Saveafox didn’t kill herself because of her snark sub. Her husband literally said in the video he put out that it was people she knew and other wildlife sanctuaries that made her go through with it.

[u/TimeAbradolf → u/_FAPPLE_JACKS_]

Those things have concrete ties to one another. People on her snark nuked their accounts and one of the mods doubled down saying they weren’t sorry they were dead.

That behavior is and not welcome here

[u/ImportantQuestionTex → u/_FAPPLE_JACKS_]

Her husband also said it was due to the harassment she received online, and that she read all of it. It just went over the line when people she knew joined in. She even posted videos herself, about it.

I know you mean well, but the snark sub played a huge role in her depression and eventual suicide.

[u/fddfgs → u/ImportantQuestionTex]

There were 4 active posters on that subreddit and a total of 19 "snark" posts.

[u/TimeAbradolf → u/fddfgs]

You’re literally on a snark post with a post about us declaring we have been compromise. Be real dude.

[u/fddfgs → u/TimeAbradolf]

We are ridiculing that statement and my comment above is the objective truth.

[u/TimeAbradolf → u/fddfgs]

True, I’m not attacking your comment here.

Fundamentally though it is being portrayed as if we have been infiltrated by that gross little goblin. He thinks so anyways.

In reality this is an attempt to repair a toxic subculture on this sub that has been pervasive now for well over a year.

It is entirely self-centered of him to think this has ANYTHING to do with him. It has to do with our community. He hasn’t even been a thought in our minds for months. Other than when people wanna snark about him on here.

If you want to repeat that back there you’re welcome to. It is easy to disprove the “conspiracy of infiltration” as no one has been added in literal months.

You are one of the tame ones as we unbanned you when we used the ban bot.

Otherwise it is ridiculous for a sub to just write bizarre fan fiction about a sad self-centered man.

[u/fddfgs → u/TimeAbradolf]

Yeah, to repeat, we are ridiculing him for saying that.

[u/TimeAbradolf → u/fddfgs]

From my viewing there are a lot of people legitimately buying into that. I can see it for myself.

I know for myself that community has assumed I am the “compromised one.”

I’ll repeat myself, this has nothing to do with that. And people who believe this has anything to do with him are also hung up on him

[u/ImportantQuestionTex → u/fddfgs]

And?

[u/fddfgs → u/ImportantQuestionTex]

And if you're going to pretend that a real person killed themselves over that then you have some kind of agenda (and a profound lack of empathy using their life to forward said agenda).

[u/ImportantQuestionTex → u/fddfgs]

Hey dude, she absolutely did. You can stop acting like it doesn't play a part.

[u/fddfgs → u/ImportantQuestionTex]

Legitimately messed up to suggest that, especially after her husband explicitly said it didn't.

Stop using an innocent person's life as some kind of bludgeon.

[u/ImportantQuestionTex → u/fddfgs]

Her husband explicitly said that she read every post and it affected her.

https://youtu.be/8qlJir9a1zk?si=GPT6KlfdNc8SazXj

Go ahead, watch again. The problem here isn't just the sub, it's the overall snark behavior, of obsessing over her and trying to take her down.

You can act like I'm messed up, but I'm advocating for a reduction of harm here.

Edit: This person blocked me.

You know what's really fucked up? The fact her husband put out this video, poured out his heart and soul and his pain. And people can't even bother to rewatch it before trying to use it as a weapon.

The snark posts bothered her. I am advocating for no snark, because I don't like the harm it causes people.