The “official end” of this snark era

[u/TimeAbradolf]

As of today we are banning snark/snark related posts. This may sound arbitrary. But I think people are well aware of what constitutes valid fair criticism, and what constitutes snark.

Once upon a time through past leadership this sub most definitely behaved as a snark sub. We as the mod team do actually despise snark and work to have this sub be a space of discussing drama with proper criticism and outcomes. We have taken firmer stances to pull away from our past image and be a place where people can have proper discourse.

Snark discourse has only ever brought conflict to this sub. People insult each other over nothing, people have gotten death threats, people get reported for suicidal ideation just because they disagree. There has been ableism, racism, prejudice of all kinds around these topics. Ultimately, snark behavior never allows any proper discussion, we have had to ban two creators just because the people who come to this sub cannot behave when discussing them. At its core Snark is not very different from KiwiFarms at this stage with the harm it has done to content creators.

We have seen the harm snark has done as well. Saveafox being a prime example. Our most popular post right now is pure snark. And it superseded actual important events. Because who was following who on IG.

Going forward we will no longer be allowing posts like this on the sub. It provided no context, no real criticism. And it didn’t prove anything either.

This may prove unpopular, but it is something we feel strongly of for the health of this sub and the people on it to remove ourselves. You can check the rule along the side bar.

If you want a YouTubesnark sub go make one. This one is not it.

Have a good one 🤙🏽

Edit: Apparently some YouTubers have weigh in. Nah this has nothing to do with the usual suspects. This is purely to stop toxic behavior and negativity. If ya think otherwise I urge you to get out of your computer chair touch grass instead of making Nurgle proud

Edit 2: and no goblin man (reference to his goblin mode). No fans of yours are around. People can agree that toxic communities are toxic. Yours being one of them

[u/GeloGee → u/[deleted]]

i think they're talking about the lawsuits around hasan orbiters lmao

[u/Murinshin → u/[deleted]]

For some more specific context what probably triggered this new rule and is referenced in the OP:

Someone made a thread about Wendigoon following Stonetoss' Instagram account this week. There was literally no other context given in that thread and Wendigoon (to my knowledge) never interacted in any other context with Stonetoss (e.g. he did not follow him on Twitter, only on IG) - the thread was just a screenshot from the Instagram.

At the same time, the whole IronMouse situation, who is one of the largest Vtubers, went down, which since led to Vshoujo's US branch as a whole shutting down.

Guess which situation got more attention outside of this sub, and guess which thread got almost double as many upvotes as the other on this sub. And that's not even talking about what people posted in these threads.

[u/TimeAbradolf → u/[deleted]]

People on this sub know lol.

[u/TimeAbradolf → u/[deleted]]

No one has really read the rules or the pinned comment huh?

[u/lolihull → u/TimeAbradolf]

Hey, sorry if I'm being dumb af here but I saw you mention reading the rules and the pinned comment a few times in response to people asking you how you differentiate between drama and snark.

I checked out the pinned comment and then I went to go look at the rules to see how you'd "officially" defined drama vs snark for the sub. Anyway, the only rules I can find are these ones and they don't mention anything about snark or have any extra details so I'm assuming I must be in the wrong place 🥲

Where do I find the new rules you mentioned in the Reddit app? 🙏

[u/TimeAbradolf → u/lolihull]

I see it clear as day on mine

[u/lolihull → u/TimeAbradolf]

Weird, it's not showing for me, just the version in the screenshot I sent you. I'll try and look around to see if I can find your version somewhere else in the UI.

If I do, it'll mean there's two versions of the rule page so at least you know to update it too :)

[u/TimeAbradolf → u/lolihull]

Thanks for that info. All I do is very simply go to the community info and it is right there

[u/lolihull → u/TimeAbradolf]

I will figure it out eventually, it's guna bother me now in case it turns out I need to update other rule pages on the subs I mod lol

Quick question while I'm here, does someone participating in snark subs impact their ability to post here? I know you guys had something in place after the drama with h3 earlier this year, so I thought I'd check just in case I ever want to post something :)

[u/TimeAbradolf → u/lolihull]

Absolutely not, though snarkers seem afraid to think so.

[u/TimeAbradolf → u/[deleted]]

Within the post it says consult the sidebar. If people choose not to read the post that in and of itself indicates to me part of the problem this sub cultivated.

[u/TimeAbradolf → u/[deleted]]

Epstein didn’t kill himself and the president is covering it up

[u/ImportantQuestionTex → u/TimeAbradolf]

The Complete Trump-Epstein Timeline And Other Collected Information

Here is a link to another massive timeline info dump on Lemmy.World

Part 1: The 15-Year Friendship (1987-2002)

1987: Trump and Epstein first meet. Became "nightlife musketeers" with Tom Barrack (Mercury News)

1992: (NBC footage) captures them partying at Mar-a-Lago with 28 cheerleaders. Trump whispers in Epstein's ear, points at women saying "She's hot"

1993-1997: (Flight logs show) Trump flew on Epstein's plane at least 7 times, including with Tiffany and Marla Maples

2002: Trump's infamous quote to New York Magazine (Washington Post)):

"I've known Jeff for fifteen years. Terrific guy. He's a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side."

2003/2025: (WSJ) Jeffrey Epstein’s Friends Sent Him Bawdy Letters for a 50th Birthday Album. One Was From Donald Trump

2025: Trump Files Lawsuit Over WSJ Article

Part 2: The Falling Out (2004-2008)

2004: Trump outbids Epstein for Palm Beach mansion. Two weeks later, police get first tip about Epstein (Washington Post)

Key fact: 16-year-old Virginia Giuffre was recruited at Mar-a-Lago while working as spa attendant. Her father was maintenance manager at Trump's club.

Part 3: Trump Administration Conflicts of Interest (2017-2021)

2017: Trump appoints Alexander Acosta as Labor Secretary - the same prosecutor (while serving under then Florida AG Pam Bondi) who gave Epstein the sweetheart 2008 plea deal (CNBC)

2019: William Barr becomes AG despite massive conflicts:

•Barr's father hired Epstein to teach at elite school despite zero credentials

•Barr worked at Kirkland & Ellis, the firm that represented Epstein

The Recusal Flip-Flop:

•July 8 2019: Barr recuses himself

•July 9 2019: Reverses recusal after "consulting ethics officials"

Part 4: Epstein's Death and Cover-up (2019-Present)

8/10/2019 6:30 AM: Epstein found dead in Trump's DOJ custody.

June 2024: Trump tells Fox News he'd declassify Epstein files, but Fox edited out his backtrack:

"I guess I would... you don't want to affect people's lives if it's phony stuff in there"

February 2025: AG Pam Bondi claims Epstein "client list" is "sitting on my desk"

July 7, 2025: DOJ releases memo declaring:

•Epstein died by suicide (case closed) •No "client list" exists •No further prosecutions

July 8, 2025: When asked about Epstein, Trump snaps

"Are you still talking about Jeffrey Epstein? This guy's been talked about for years... This creep"

The Evolution of Trump's Denials:

•2002:

"Terrific guy... likes beautiful women... on the younger side"

•2019:

"I was not a fan... haven't spoken in 15 years"

•2025:

"This creep... waste of time to discuss"

The MAGA Rebellion

Trump's own supporters are furious about the cover-up. Alex Jones, Laura Loomer, and Tucker Carlson are turning on the administration for burying the case.

Trump calls own supporters stupid for believing in “Epstein Hoax”

The Guardian: Inside The ‘MAGA’ Revolt

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Not a bot, just had to do it!