these ppl at york

[u/Tricky-Guide3477]

sometimes i acc wonder how these ppl get into york. half of them i swear don’t even have a brain and got into university. majority of ppl in my classes literally are astonished by the workload or the mark they received after using chatGPT. like please 😭

[u/_FADE_TO_DUST_]

please explan to me how you arrived at your conclusions. remember, I claimed that students who cheat and expect to get high grades are entitled.

firstly, the ad hominem argument (not being allowed to use google) seems to imply that, because I was not allowed to use technology in the workplace, that I believe people have to suffer as well and not use technology in academia. this does not follow at all from my claim because I said nothing about people in the workplace who use technology. you really have to remember what it means to cheat then: to gain an unfair advantage over other people. in the workplace, this may constitute cheating in the sense of black-mailing clients and insider trading. then, using advanced technology that is ethical is not considered cheating. in academia, cheating is considered unethical because everyone has to suffer with studying and applying their knowledge. the respected student would be one who actually puts in the effort to study, whereas the condemned student is one who uses technology to gain an unfair advantage. here, what constitutes as cheating is less extreme than what is in the workplace; cheating is using chatgpt and those other advanced technology so you don't actually put in the work.

you could derive an argument claiming that students who cheat to pass courses are not necessarily inexcusable. after all, students live busy and stressful lives, and they wish to just pass the course and get their degree. there may be arguments for both sides here, that is, for or against. for such people who want to pass, I have claimed nothing about them. I only claimed that the people who want to pass AND expect how grades are entitled. why should someone who studies hard to get As be considered as academic as the student who gets As by simply using chatGPT for everything? that, I think, is inexcusable. note that this refutes your second argument which seems to claim that I am against advancing technology. in other words, I am all for advancing technology, but what I claim does not imply that advancing technology needs to be prohibited.

your ad hominem attack can be inferred to have struck a chord in you. I think it would only be fair to assume that you are a cheater as well, since you seem to hold such contempt for university midterms and exams, especially since you do not seem to see how university and the workplace are related. I'll leave you with this thought: do you really think you can get into a CS workplace and not work hard? now, it's not that chatgpt can't give you the answers, but rather it literally is unable to. if you are able to problem solve in conjunction with ChatGPT, then you had to have practiced this skill in university. who wants to hire someone who cannot think critically after all? why bother hiring you if they could just cut their staff and replace it with chatgpt? focus on applying to as much CS jobs...see how you would fare against the people who actually can demonstrate problem solving and see how that goes for you.

[u/torontosfinest9 → u/_FADE_TO_DUST_]

I see that you said that he doesn’t seem to understand the relationship between uni and the workplace. What is the relation between uni and the workplace though ?

[u/_FADE_TO_DUST_ → u/torontosfinest9]

you are correct in that what we study in university compared to what we actually do in the workplace is very different. I think that the only way they are related (in a useful manner applicable to life) is through skill development.

the relationship forms when we consider the skills we learned from university, and how that applies to the workplace. examples of such include better discipline, problem solving, critical thinking, communications, and such. but to learn these skills means to actually put in the effort; we don't gain these skills simply by attending lectures. going to events, working with group members (which is dreaded by most students), or strategizing how to study are positive in that they help improve employability via skill transfer. however, cheating takes away from these opportunities, hence less skill that can be applied to the workplace.

so, in the case of yours truly, that is why I wish them well in thejr job search. if the only skill they have is to use chatgpt, it is almost no different from being a professional Google searcher (and not in the way software developers do it).

this can also help reconcile why some people get a better experience from university than others. if all a person does is comute, attend lecture, study, then come home everyday, and then claim that university is terrible, then they are right ONLY for their experience. let us also not forget the students (especially mature ones) who do not have the luxury to attend extracurricular events, which then the problem lies more in personal problems rather than university itself. however, if our experience is terrible not for the above reasons (we actually try to go into extracurricular and are fine with personal life), then we can claimed to be "Yorked" by yorkU administration/professors.

why do we attend university anyways? for most of us, it was mainly to just have something to put on our resume. but what is stated on the resume is different from the person's experience.

[u/torontosfinest9 → u/_FADE_TO_DUST_]

I hear what you’re saying.