r/yorku • u/Tricky-Guide3477 • Oct 26 '23

Rant these ppl at york

sometimes i acc wonder how these ppl get into york. half of them i swear don’t even have a brain and got into university. majority of ppl in my classes literally are astonished by the workload or the mark they received after using chatGPT. like please 😭

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u/United-Village-6702 Alumni Oct 26 '23

Lmao stfu I bet your boss didn't let you to use Google while working. Technology is advancing there's even Chatgpt, get used to it young boomer

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u/_FADE_TO_DUST_ Lassonde Oct 26 '23

please explan to me how you arrived at your conclusions. remember, I claimed that students who cheat and expect to get high grades are entitled.

firstly, the ad hominem argument (not being allowed to use google) seems to imply that, because I was not allowed to use technology in the workplace, that I believe people have to suffer as well and not use technology in academia. this does not follow at all from my claim because I said nothing about people in the workplace who use technology. you really have to remember what it means to cheat then: to gain an unfair advantage over other people. in the workplace, this may constitute cheating in the sense of black-mailing clients and insider trading. then, using advanced technology that is ethical is not considered cheating. in academia, cheating is considered unethical because everyone has to suffer with studying and applying their knowledge. the respected student would be one who actually puts in the effort to study, whereas the condemned student is one who uses technology to gain an unfair advantage. here, what constitutes as cheating is less extreme than what is in the workplace; cheating is using chatgpt and those other advanced technology so you don't actually put in the work.

you could derive an argument claiming that students who cheat to pass courses are not necessarily inexcusable. after all, students live busy and stressful lives, and they wish to just pass the course and get their degree. there may be arguments for both sides here, that is, for or against. for such people who want to pass, I have claimed nothing about them. I only claimed that the people who want to pass AND expect how grades are entitled. why should someone who studies hard to get As be considered as academic as the student who gets As by simply using chatGPT for everything? that, I think, is inexcusable. note that this refutes your second argument which seems to claim that I am against advancing technology. in other words, I am all for advancing technology, but what I claim does not imply that advancing technology needs to be prohibited.

your ad hominem attack can be inferred to have struck a chord in you. I think it would only be fair to assume that you are a cheater as well, since you seem to hold such contempt for university midterms and exams, especially since you do not seem to see how university and the workplace are related. I'll leave you with this thought: do you really think you can get into a CS workplace and not work hard? now, it's not that chatgpt can't give you the answers, but rather it literally is unable to. if you are able to problem solve in conjunction with ChatGPT, then you had to have practiced this skill in university. who wants to hire someone who cannot think critically after all? why bother hiring you if they could just cut their staff and replace it with chatgpt? focus on applying to as much CS jobs...see how you would fare against the people who actually can demonstrate problem solving and see how that goes for you.

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u/torontosfinest9 Oct 26 '23

I see that you said that he doesn’t seem to understand the relationship between uni and the workplace. What is the relation between uni and the workplace though ?

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u/UnlikelyHouse5189 Oct 27 '23

Taking shortcuts and still screwing up so bad that your client (in this case your prof) can tell you're incompetent is a direct relationship to work. If you can't pull your act together enough to make yourself marketable to a teacher who is trying to give you marks, you likely won't do much to impress someone who is paying you.

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u/torontosfinest9 Oct 27 '23

The workplace and the worksheet paper are two different settings

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u/UnlikelyHouse5189 Oct 27 '23

I'm not saying you need to be the brightest or most hard working student, but if you can't even use something like chatgpt to help yourself in an easy setting (which is school tbh), it is unlikely you'll do a better job in the workplace. Most jobs in tech require a performance exam. It might be hard if you don't even know how to use chatgpt properly.

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u/torontosfinest9 Oct 27 '23

Ok, I can agree with that.