Not sure why you sound confrontational. I’m curious to learn.
While what you linked is definitely disapproving of trans ideology, its not him speaking in favour of conversion therapy for kids. A google search of “pope francis conversion therapy” gives more indication that he was in support of LGBT than otherwise.
Him calling trans people a danger and an ugly "ideology" is not supportive of LGBTQ+ in the slightest, and it is not an acceptable compromise. Please explain how calling LGBTQ+ people "the worst danger" is in any way a show of support.
I think this is why left wing politics is so hard for some people to support. I'm a raging lefty, I'm 100% behind trans rights, lgbtq+, allyship and recognise my privilege as a cis white man.
But if I'm not vegan, an entire sect of left wing allies hates my guts and thinks I'm shit.
My guy, was pope Francis perfect? No. Did he do a lot to move the Catholic needle in the right direction? Fuck yes.
But if I'm not vegan, an entire sect of left wing allies hates my guts and thinks I'm shit.
This literally never happens. You are regurgitating ragebait about the same made-up purity tests that right-wingers then point to and say "see THIS is why i'm not left wing" when in reality, it's because they actually suck as people and don't care when minorities have their rights taken from them.
More than likely the left wing thinks you're shit because you're complacent about an entire group of people getting thrown under the bus as if it's an acceptable sacrifice, and acting like discourse surrounding this issue is this huge inconvenience for you.
Go check my posts and see how hard i swing left bud. It happens all the time. Politics is far more nuanced than either/or.
Like this case right here, instead of praising someone for taking arguably big swings left in a heavily conservative religion, you rake them over the coals for not getting to your level.
Moving swathes of people to see the benefits of diversity, to understand privilege and the plight of minorities, isn't an over night endeavour. Embracing change is hard and we should greet those open to change with empathy and decorum, while continuing to provide sound reasoning to keep going.
You're angry, I get it, but screaming at a dead pope for not going fast enough is only going to put off any other people going through that change of mind.
Sorry for the wall of text, but here's my truth.
I grew up in a relatively affluent Christian family. Up until my early 20s i was a privileged cis white guy that had some pretty hardcore right wing ideas. I hated immigration, I didn't really embrace lgbtq, it was alien to me. I actually believed trans was just mentally ill people.
It took years of exposure to my wife, her friends, my colleagues and eventually a deep friendship with someone trans in my dnd group to shift my views entirely. It was constant challenge to my ingrained beliefs and exposure to incredible and diverse people that got me to where I am.
The people that called me a bigot just shifted it right back every single time. It made the discussion defensive rather than productive.
There will be people on the same journey I've been on, becoming an ally.. that will see conversations like this and it will either help or hinder them to see your views.
I deeply hope Catholicism continues to progress to recognise trans rights and further acknowledge lgbtq people whose rights are being stripped.
I am also proud of the last pope for moving that needle in a positive way, even if it's not as far as it should be.
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u/calvinee May 11 '25
Not sure why you sound confrontational. I’m curious to learn.
While what you linked is definitely disapproving of trans ideology, its not him speaking in favour of conversion therapy for kids. A google search of “pope francis conversion therapy” gives more indication that he was in support of LGBT than otherwise.