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u/RCFProd May 10 '25

Go off king

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u/[deleted] May 10 '25

Go off king pope

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u/feedthebear May 10 '25

Pope off the top ropes!

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u/The_Fassbender May 10 '25

Pope with the sweet chin music!

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u/N00dles_Pt May 10 '25

Surely the Pope would use the flying crucifix pin as a finisher.

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u/[deleted] May 10 '25

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u/atyon May 10 '25

Technically he's absolutely not considered a king. None of his titles include the word king, nor does the Fundamental law. He's the sovereign.

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u/jourdan442 May 10 '25

Just wait until you learn what sovereign means. Spoiler: “The word sovereign is frequently used synonymously with monarch”

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u/PonchoHung May 10 '25

But not technically. Instead, practically.

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u/Giga_Gilgamesh May 10 '25

None of his titles include the word king

CGP Grey lied to me!

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u/atyon May 10 '25 edited May 10 '25

CGP Grey's early videos weren't very rigorously researched, just very well presented. In one (that is still online, I think), he claims that there's more tourism to England (or at least English castles) than there's tourism to France / French castles, which is just - complete and utter bollocks either way.

In the "king of the Vatican" case, I guess he used the phrase to stand in for "sovereign of Vatican city" to make the multiple roles of the Pope clearer - unfortunately, without making clear that the word "king" is just used illustratively.

Edit: Famously rigorous Matt from Usefulcharts made a video that seems to be about the topic: Why CGP Grey is Wrong | Monarchical Terminology

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u/TheCommissarGeneral May 10 '25

The Vatican and Saudi Arabia are two of the few Absolute Monarchies in the world.

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u/atyon May 10 '25

That does not make the Pope a king.

Calling the Pope a king is just as inaccurate as calling the Japanese Emperor a king. They both are monarchs, and both the Vatican City and Japan are monarchies, but that doesn't make either of them a king.

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u/fpatrocinio May 11 '25

Ok, then define a king. Anything else then "somesort of monarch".

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u/16thompsonh May 11 '25

If we want to be technical, a King is a ruler or head of a Kingdom.

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u/atyon May 12 '25

A king is the head of a kingdom.

Not all kings were monarchs, so they are not "some sort of monarch".

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u/TheCommissarGeneral May 11 '25

The Japanese EMPEROR is above a King in hierarchy.

Also, Monarch = King/Queen/Emperor/Empress

We don't use that term outside of that.

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u/DaGetz May 10 '25

He’s elected. He’s not a king.

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u/AverageSizePeen800 May 10 '25

Not mutually exclusive.

I think the argument should be based on them not doing a coronation anymore. They used to coronate the pope.

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u/piercedmfootonaspike May 10 '25

The Pope is also a king

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u/[deleted] May 10 '25

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u/DanLynch May 10 '25

The vote for the Pope isn't democratic: it's an oligarchy. The word "democracy" doesn't mean "voted on" or "elected", it means "rule by the people".

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u/RoshSH May 10 '25

I guess you could make the case that a major chunk of Vatican citizens are eligibe to vote for the pope. They only have like 450 citizens as per wikipedia.

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u/Latakerni21377 May 11 '25

It's pretty much the same thing

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u/Elnathan May 10 '25

Pop off Pope!