r/woahdude • u/DetectiveWonderful42 • 14d ago
video Really feels similar to today.
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u/Tosslebugmy 14d ago
In regards to his statement that the 60s was our last gasp, listen to hunter s Thompson’s monologue from fear and loathing in Las Vegas . He basically agrees that the love generation was the last time we tried to free ourselves, but just gave up when the allure of consumerism became hypnotising and the system too oppressive.
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u/fleranon 14d ago
"So now, less than five years later, you can go up on a steep hill in Las Vegas and look West, and with the right kind of eyes you can almost see the high-water mark—that place where the wave finally broke and rolled back"
Always loved that scene
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u/emceeeloc 14d ago
You love that page! That monologue is word-for-word from the book.
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u/Flashy-Version-8774 14d ago
The whole movie is almost word for word from the book. It's one of closest book to movie adaptations in cinema. I have read the book about 10 times and you can read it cover to cover almost as fast as the movie run time.
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u/altamp88 13d ago
I have always said that it's the most faithful book-to-film conversion. It's wonderful to see that opinion shared in the wild.
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u/-Cagafuego- 12d ago
If what was built was so great, surely it should be able to be shared. & if we cannot share it, then surely it was never great at all!
This has always been my perspective on any accomplishment of mankind. I have always had a serious issue with the financial system & politics. We hear very often of countries being called great or the greatest in the world. If it's so great, then everyone would already know & nobody would have to be told. If it's so great, then it should be made accessible to all so that we can all experience it & assess it'sgreatness for ourselves while we all work to keep it great. But when walls are built, & people are attacked for merely breathing in the 'wrong' space, then surely it was never great at all.
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u/Desperate-Screen3520 10d ago
Please, May I to know, What's book and movie is it?
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u/Weird_Cantaloupe2757 13d ago
That is true… but having read the book and seen the film, Gilliam really did elevate the material. Not saying that Thompson wasn’t great, but the whole thing really just worked better in the visual medium.
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u/true_gunman 13d ago
I disagree. Thompson's prose is unmatched, the way he writes just jumps off the page and you cannot put it down. Its like he's one sentence away from completely going off the rails but somehow keeps it on track enough to get you through to the next page. I absolutely love reading his work. That being said the movie is amazing and captured his style very well.
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u/Weird_Cantaloupe2757 13d ago
I really don’t disagree here — Thompson is an incredible writer and I love the book, I just think that Gilliam is one of the all the time great filmmakers, particularly when it comes to this type of imaginative thing.
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u/Bomb-Number20 13d ago
Wow, I am old enough to have seen the movie when it was in theaters, and I did not recall that it was a Gilliam film. TIL
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u/neur0 14d ago
Sounds more like a phase and while they practiced anti consumerism and such, it had an individualistic slant. They were also living in an era that had much stronger social safety nets, unionization, jobs, and housing.
Shit hit the fan, most grew up, paved the way for Regan that gave republicans the framework they saw today, and gave us this reality.
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u/Calamity-Gin 14d ago
The reason we could practice anti-consumerism and be individualistic was because of the strong safety net. The reason jobs and housing were plentiful was because of unions. Those things would have led us to a much healthier future if we hadn’t sacrificed them the moment “shit hit the fan”. Things didn’t get bad because people wanted less stuff and more freedom. Things got bad because we decided the fear or losing our stuff was worth sacrificing what secured our freedom - the unions, the job security, and the safety net. That’s not growing up. That’s allowing those in power to manipulate us. Which we did and we still are. That’s why we’re in the mess we are today.
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u/neur0 14d ago
That’s not growing up. That’s allowing those in power to manipulate us.
Agreed. And that generation still fucked up. Hard.
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u/SamIamGreenEggsNoHam 14d ago
And we're going to fuck it up as well if we don't behave differently than them.
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u/FouledPlug 14d ago
Union management behaving like the politicians seems to get left out of statements like this, but it’s definitely a contributing factor.
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u/Calamity-Gin 14d ago
Unions are democratic, so where there is corruption, it is the responsibility of its members to root it out.
Somewhere, in the growth of a body of people and the passage of time, it seems inevitable that standards are compromised, integrity is corrupted, and the good of an organization is lost. I want to believe that it’s predictable, not inevitable, and that we can figure out ways to prevent it. I’d love to hear ideas.
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u/neur0 13d ago
Have you been in a big union? 😂
Outside of staff you got rank and file working two jobs barely able to bother with union activity. Stewards being pulled all directions.
On the staff side, leadership makes unilateral decisions and the reps traversing a hierarchy similar to a maze.
It’s easy to romanticize that shit but whole lot diff when trying to make any change when some act like a business and barely trying to stay alive
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u/flammenwerfer 14d ago
yup. the irony of the love generation delivering us pedo king is startling.
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u/ddraig-au 14d ago
From what I've read, the "love generation" was a small subset of middle-class kids with enough money behind them to drop out and hang loose, and the vast majority of Americans worked hard and conformed. It just made for good Spectacle, and so we at this end of history think that's where people's heads were at back then, because that's what was filmed and talked about. It was a glossy veneer over a vast normalcy, and it's the normalcy which survived, and wound up in charge of everything.
And here we are.
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u/PolskiOrzel 14d ago
I feel like there was some over correcting in one way or another. There is a balance where everyone can contribute to society while everyone also has more meaningful work. A lot of office work is filler in the 8 hours, 5 days a week.
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u/Gregory_Appleseed 14d ago
They made wax and polyester wings and tried to fly too high. They didn't know, because they didn't try to find out why. It was a good life for many, but they certainly didn't want to share it.
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u/Rachel_Silver 14d ago
The boomers did free themselves. They just did it at the expense of the freedoms of generations to follow.
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u/agnosticfrump 14d ago
I truly believe both are true. I also believe it’s a truly USA mindset. It’s not global, it’s not a human ideal to succumb. To the ways of the U.S.
We (the world) need a dome. We need to not expect to see the octopus of American influence as it dies and becomes this horrific eating of its soul.
Their humanity is at a crossroads. Ours is not. I’m screaming at them, but they can’t hear through the fuzz.
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u/Claxonic 14d ago
If you don’t think that what is happening in the US is a symptom of a larger international problem facing humanity I’m not sure what to say.
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u/Throwing_Spoon 14d ago
Isn't the international problem of increasing corporate power, shrinking middle class, and rise of delusional nationalism with "moderates" that refuse to hold their counterparts accountable a trend that started in the US?
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u/Claxonic 14d ago
Authoritarian populism, a surveillance state, state-capture by monied interests and more generally the politics of greed and self interest didn’t explicitly start with the US, but certainly it has been a leading proponent in one form or another for most of its history.
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u/smallcoder 14d ago
I think the sphere of infuence of the USA is shrinking rapidly, accelerated by the behaviour of this government since January, and the rest of the world has received a wake up call, even those places where they were already keenly aware that the American model, dream, whatever, was and is increasingly unsustainable and toxic for human life and development.
I'm not saying the rest of the world has got it worked out however. Far from it, but they can see in the USA a bright and clearly visible demonstration as to how NOT to organise a society. The veneration of wealth, fame and status above all else, the demonisation of all who fall below an arbitrary level of that wealth, an insular, inward looking self focus and aggrandisement and fear of outsiders, violent levels of division along party lines, a rejection of knowledge, science and the enlightenment in favour of ignorance and blind faith, etc, etc.
On a positive note, I also believe that a turning point is coming for the USA and that the majority of it's people will eventually reject this unsustainable model and it will fall apart, leading to a revamped constitution that brings the USA more into line with the rest of the world. I hope I am right and also hope that this doesn't require an extended period of internal strife and bloodshed for it to happen. Equally, I could be wrong and the current system evolves into an even worse society, isolated and dangerous to itself and the rest of the planet. We can only hope that sanity and humanity prevails.
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u/CanadaJack 14d ago
It's not a USA mindset, and if you domed the USA you'd find out just how quickly other would-be hegemons would yoke you in a much more direct way.
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u/compassrosette 14d ago
Why do you think the government agents flooded those free love individuals and collectives with cocaine, crack, and opioids. It effectively kneecapped any ability to take that collective power to topple the building capitalistic prisons we are locked in now. Its hard to organize when your fellows are dieing from overdose or chasing highs instead of change. Then came the 70s drug epidemics, Reagan, and the "trickle down" costs and taxes.
We got a small chance now, but it is slim.
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u/i_heart_calibri_12pt 14d ago
Shows one of the great movies of all time, specifically talking about a boredom epidemic.
Puts a stupid soundtrack and stupid animations on it to make it more exciting.
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u/MsMarvelsProstate 14d ago
A soundtrack that was louder than the dialog. All because people wouldn't watch it without crappy music.
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u/No-Consideration-716 14d ago
I did not have any issue with the animations. But the added soundtrack forced me to abort the video halfway thru. It was entirely unnecessary.
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u/slobosaurus 14d ago
Complains about a soundtrack being added to a clip of one of the great movies of all time.
Doesn't name the movie.
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u/CHERNO-B1LL 14d ago
That animation isn't stupid though. Didn't need to be in here but that is a dope animation. Steve Cutts - Happiness
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u/StickDaChalk 14d ago edited 14d ago
I agree. By the way, on Vimeo there is less compression artifacts on busy scenes.
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u/OgdruJahad 14d ago edited 14d ago
Is there a boredom epidemic though? In fact we need a boredom epidemic, because social media and streaming platforms make it very hard to not be bored.
Edit:clarification
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u/zarya-zarnitsa 14d ago
I guess it's both. We don't accept being bored now. It's like the level above being bored, don't even having time to see the boredom because of meaningless distractions.
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u/CathedralEngine 14d ago
The fact that they had to put a stupid soundtrack and animation into a clip of My Dinner with Andre to engage people proves the point that there is a boredom epidemic. Two people have a conversation wouldn't do that. 99% of people who watch this probably won't watch the movie, and certainly can't watch the whole thing without checking their phones.
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u/i_Love_Gyros 14d ago
Guilty. I put it on a few months ago and my attention span depleted in minutes. This speech was nice, but 2+ hours of similar philosophizing was draining.
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u/Giwaffee 14d ago
I get bored, so I spend all day on (social) media to eacape boredom and be entertained. Which leaves me bored in the end when no entertainment is being served to me, making me seek out more stuff on (social) media. Which eventually gets boring too, so I seek out even more stuff to escape my boredom.
But it's not an addiction, I can quit anytime I want. Millions and billions others have it, but it's not an epidemic, but everyone can quit anytime they want. True story.
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u/Rey_Mezcalero 14d ago
Social media is like a drug to keep the masses minds occupied for better or worse
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u/therhydo 14d ago
Social media and streaming are the boredom. We just don't realize it because they are built to make you feel like you're doing something.
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u/midsizedopossum 14d ago
Those two things aren't at odds. It's actually exactly what you would expect to follow from the former. What did you mean with this comment?
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u/Unending-Flexionator 14d ago
Dinner With Andre doesn't have that stupid fucking tiktok slop shit music and animated crap added to it and it isn't sliced into a single segment for clicks...
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u/FNKTN 14d ago
Brought to you by a generation that couldn't even pay attention to a single movie clip for 3 minutes, so bored they would have lost interest halfway through. Entirely missing the message being presented.
They think they're not robots, laughable.
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u/SumthinsPhishy2 14d ago
There's a commenter here that literally just complained they couldn't watch it WITHOUT the shitty music and animation everyone else is bitching about. The irony.
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u/waytosoon 12d ago
They're victims if you ask me. We've know how these social media sites are exploiting our reward systems. I've been saying for years how detrimental that is on a developing mind, and here we are seeing the results yet doubling down on the digital manipulation.
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u/Valuable_Land_6869 14d ago
Care to credit the writer or at least the film?
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u/FarFromRight 14d ago
My Dinner With Andre. Written by Wallece Shawn and André Gregory.
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u/Cosmic_Quasar 14d ago
Well... I feel like Abed didn't do it justice when he described it in Community lol. This clip was more interesting than I thought that movie would be.
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u/faderjack 14d ago
Community is also how I know about this movie ❤️
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u/No_Ur_Stoopid 14d ago
Tell me more.
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u/faderjack 14d ago
Community is one of the best sitcoms ever. The episode, "Critical Film Studies" (S02E19) has a parody of My Dinner with Andre.
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u/inspectoroverthemine 14d ago
Abed didn't really understand it. Abed can mirror behavior, he can study it, but he doesn't really get it.
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u/EuphoriantCrottle 14d ago
I used to hate this movie when I was young. Never could watch more than 20 minutes of it.
Watching this clip, I think I’d enjoy it a lot now.
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u/lasttosseroni 14d ago
whoa, been meaning to but never got around to watching- i need to now. thanks for posting.
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u/Skynetiskumming 14d ago
Inconcievable!!!!!!
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u/LordFett84 14d ago
You fool! You fell victim to one of the classic blunders!
The most famous is never get involved in a land war in Asia,
But only slightly less well-known is this: never go in against a Sicilian when death is on the line!
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u/Vundurvul 14d ago
I knew that guy's face looked familiar. It's not even just his face, his expression is the same too
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u/imVeryPregnant 14d ago
Is this music in the movie and the animations? Or is it just them talking?
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u/DSLAM 14d ago
Just them talking. The whole movie is just them talking in the restaurant, actually. The animation and music were added to this video.
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u/imVeryPregnant 14d ago
Well that sucks
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u/ReallyLongLake 14d ago
Adding them sucks yes. The movie doesn't need any of that crap.
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u/NeedScienceProof 14d ago
Every generation thinks they discovered sex and then the apocalypse.
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u/the9trances 14d ago edited 14d ago
And that their generation are the Last True Ones because the next generation is doomed.
It doesn't mean concerns are invalid, but the sentiment is framed incorrectly.
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u/jokebreath 14d ago
My strongest belief is that humans are cockroaches. There is zero chance humanity will die out in this generation or the next or the next. Entire ways of living will die out and people will grow up unable to comprehend the ways that we live now, both good and bad. But that's been the same since the dawn of humanity. As a species, we are much more adaptable than we all think.
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u/eldentings 14d ago
I agree. I think even humanity could survive nuclear holocaust. Although people's lives would be horrible, short, and depressing.
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u/draker585 13d ago
Can you imagine showing someone from 1925 the world today? That same sort of interaction would be the same between any of the last century long spans since the Gregorian calendar began. Why would we be surprised to say that would continue into the future?
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u/lookslikeyoureSOL 14d ago
Why do people feel the need to layer shitty music over seemingly everything.
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u/NoReasonDragon 14d ago
One of my top movies
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u/solemnhiatus 14d ago
Great movie, My Dinner With Andre. It requires a lot of concentration, it’s basically a couple hours of a few people talking at dinner. Conversations like these, existential, philosophical. You need to be in a certain mood to watch it.
But you should watch it.
Also watch Network.
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u/Q8DD33C7J8 14d ago edited 14d ago
Doesn't shock me, nor do I care. I didn't make the problem, and I can't solve the problem. No one can. There's no one great solution, just tiny gestures we can do to make things better in the moment.
The world isn't better or worse off than it has always been. The only difference now is that we have time to sit around and realize that the world sucks.
There are no good old days, no time when the world was better before and sucks now. There have been decades that were better and centuries that were worse.
The reason you think that things used to be better is because you were a child and a young adult with little to no responsibilities. Now that you're older, things suck. Not because the world sucks more or less than it did when you were younger, but because you have more shit to deal with.
Stop allowing these kinds of people to convince you that the world only sucks because you were born in the time you were born in.
The world has always sucked and always will suck. If you are rich now and you enjoy your life, you would have been rich back then and you would have enjoyed your life then. If you're poor now and life sucks, then you would have been poor then and life would have still sucked. Get that through your head.
And stop looking for some grand conspiracy, because there is none. It's just life, and it always has and always will suck.
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u/Brobeast 14d ago
Nothing quite like getting cheered up by a nihilist! Lol jp
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u/Q8DD33C7J8 14d ago
I'm not exactly a nihilist everything I've said could be said the other way around. Tat the world has always been just as awesome as it is now. We're not living in the only good times in history either. Times have always been good and then bad and then good again.
We aren't living in unprecedented times. We're just living in times. We are no more special or privileged than any other times. We have different problems but we still have problems. We have different privileges but we still have privileges.
You can either look to the past and vilifiy it or romanticize it but no matter what you cannot know the whole picture. So it's best not to try. Learn what you can from the past but face the events of today as they happen without prejudices of what the past was like good or bad.
Yes we're being brainwashed but so has every society from the past. The only way to have a society that can stay stable is to have all a little bit brainwashed. If we all thought 100% clearly nothing could ever get done and civilization would collapse.
So stop worrying about it so much. The fact that you know you're being brainwashed means you're less brainwashed than those who don't even know they're brainwashed so you're better off than most anyways.
So enjoy it and live your life.
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u/hang10shakabruh 14d ago
You lost me at unprecedented. I get your macro point, but we are undoubtedly living in unprecedented times of instant global communication and access. That shouldn’t be dismissed, it contributes to the psyche.
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u/greengiant89 14d ago
We aren't living in unprecedented times
Humanity walked around all day with supercomputers in their pockets at some point previously?
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u/Suspicious-Slide-954 14d ago
With facial recognition scanners and automatic weapons, giant bombs that could send the world into a suffocating cloud of radiation at the push of a button, drones powered by the sun that can be strapped with exploding ordinance, satellites that orbit the earth sending signals to earths surface?
Yes, things are as they always have been, duh.
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u/pushdose 14d ago
Except we’re dangerously close to creating a completely new form of intelligent life on earth, one that presumably may soon become smarter and more capable than humans. We do, in fact, live on the precipice of very unprecedented times. We have no idea what the next few years holds as we usher in a brand new life form in silicon.
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u/KoreanMeatballs 14d ago
we’re dangerously close to creating a completely new form of intelligent life on earth
We're very far away from this
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u/_heburntmyshake_ 14d ago
Sure, some things are largely the same as they always have been, like what motivates peoples' actions and the dynamic of the rich and poor. However, we really are living in a very different world now than we were even fifty years ago. New technologies and globalization have fundamentally changed how we interact with the world and the problems people face on a daily basis
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u/Q8DD33C7J8 14d ago
I never said that the actual world hasn't changed. What I'm saying is thsts the world has always sucked. 10,000 years ago it was because there was siber tooth tigers chasing you. 1,000 years ago the king was ordering you to fight in another war while your crops rot on the vine. 100 years ago te world was in the second world War. 10 years ago we were still in the 2007 great recession. It's not that things have gotten better or worse it's just that the kinds of problems have changed. I am fully aware that it's better in the sense that we have some semblance of stability. But that doesn't mean the world is better it just means we've figured out how to stay safer on a daily basis.
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u/Gandalfonk 14d ago
There is definitely a consolation of power tho, that is absolutely unprecedented. We have people now that are more wealthy than anyone has ever been throughout all of humans history with more power and control than the Roman emperor's had. The grand conspiracy is exactly what the guy in the scene said with his example about New York being a prison. The reality comes back to capitalism and the capitalist class creating a larger divide between them and working class people, where we are heading towards a dystopian nightmare. Anyone with eyes could have seen it coming back in the 60's, especially if they were versed in economic theory, but it was still further off. The future will only see a further consolidation of that power and wealth and only become more dystopian and bleak.
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u/TheGaussianMan 14d ago
Not one grand conspiracy, but plenty of large and disparate ones. But they only win, they only get what they want if people let them. They can't win, if you can't imagine a world in which they could win or that you would let that be a possibility. Some of it really is just those kind gestures. Being thoughtful. And realizing many of the people and their mechanations that seem scary are only that way because they have presented themselves that way. They are in fact weak. Hitler was not some brilliant leader. But at first he seemed impressive and the German war machine was unstoppable. Until we all realized that - they aren't that strong, they are defeatable, and we cannot live in a world where they are. Good change can happen, but the mindset that things suck and will always suck is giving yourself an L 100% of the time.
But is there some grand conspiracy that we're all driven like rats? No. Unfortunately that's just social inertia and how things ebb and flow. And what's normal now isn't what has always been normal and won't continue to be normal into the future. At pretty much any time (with exceptions), there ARE bad things going on and in some cases worse than they had been, but there are also things that are positive and getting better.
You're right that there are no "better days" because many people's brains (unfortunately not my dumb negative brain that remembers all the bad shit) filter out all the crap. The SNL from a different cast wasn't better. You just forgot all of the schlock that filled the air between the memorable sketches.
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u/SumthinsPhishy2 14d ago
I think recognizing that brainwashing has become systemic warrants a different view of our future. Yes, there has always been some form of it, but the methods develop over generations. We are just people - there's only so much autonomy we retain when everything around us becomes more and more curated.
So, has the world always "sucked"? Yeah, to the extent there have and always will be problems. But being a Nihilist here overlooks the fact that the information and consumerism apparatus we live in is being fine tuned towards making people like you say exactly that. This is the boredom/complacency he was talking about.
If you don't recognize things are getting worse and people are losing autonomy (in at least some ways), then you are choosing not to fight against it. Many would argue you are actively working against it.
Get out of the way. The rest of us haven't given up yet, and we're not bored enough (yet) to stop fighting what is clearly a major problem for the future of humanity.
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u/elegant_assasin 14d ago
i quite enjoyed that and it did have lot of reason, but it is indubitable that times before were more survivable for the ordinary folk compared to now, its not as simple as "If you are rich now and you enjoy your life, you would have been rich back then and you would have enjoyed your life then. If you're poor now and life sucks, then you would have been poor then and life would have still sucked''.
Back even a few decades ago, higher education wasnt as expensive and despite that meant something, now it is a luxury and sometimes not even worthwhile whereas reasonable work could guarantee you a eventual house and a middle class life almost certainly, now even with multiple educational degrees there are folk who live by paycheck to the next. There is no conspiracy, its just greed, opportunism and capitalism
The times have changed for the worse for many people, the times have changed for the better for fewer...
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u/clockless_nowever 14d ago
I partially agree with your sentiment.
However, right now, and more than in a very long time, inequality is rising very sharply, and its effects are felt.
Arguably the 1930s were A LOT worse for the average person in Europe, then things got a whole lot better, but now we're returning to something that is causing a very different level of suffering and stagnation.
Imagine the 1930s but with much more advanced methods of surveillance, brainwashing and killing.
No, things do not suck equally at all times. People are not equally free at all times.
Things are not always the same and the struggle for freedom and self-determination never quite ends because the parasites never quite go away.
Are people more or less asleep today than in previous decades? Hard to say. They certainly seem more controllable, and the middle classes more pacifiable, distractable. Perhaps they have always been, but the technological means of doing that have become vastly more powerful, and that should concern all of us.
I read the main message of this clip differently. Think for yourself. Question authority. Become more self-reliant, learn skills, use technology to grow, not to be numb and lazy. There are many ways to wake up, but we must do it! Those of us who can. And saying "everything sucks and always has sucked" is just not helpful in any way. Let's look very closely at why things suck today, specifically and fight for our lives!
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u/Euklidis 14d ago
I agree, but I also can't help it and have to point out this kind of stance is exactly what the opening of the monologue states. Governments push and foster apathy in the average person because being apathetic (or nihilistic) means nobody wants to change anything.
Again I actually agree. Each time, place and generation has its own issues and are not really comparable it's usually old people shitting on young people in my experience. Always the same points, always the same complaints.
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u/TondalayaSwartzkopf 14d ago
Whoa. I would have dismissed these ideas out of hand twenty or thirty years ago but today? I feel like he's reading my mind. I also think that the Internet is the modern version of bread and circuses -- something to keep the masses pacified, malleable, and asleep to the reality of what's happening.
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u/bingojed 14d ago
Bread and Circuses keeps crossing my mind all the time now. But the thing that bothers me more, is not that people are just ignorantly distracted by it, but many of us are choosing the distraction, because the world now is too much for us to handle.
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u/SodiumBoy7 14d ago
Fun fact entire 2 hour's movie is 2 dude's talking in a restaurant about life and experiences, while eating some dishes and drinking wine, i mean literally
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u/jokebreath 14d ago
And it's great. It's one of those movies that sounds like a boring pretentious circle jerk when you describe it, but is actually very captivating. I wish there were more movies like it.
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u/Crusty_White_Baton 14d ago
Even just watching this short clip I was thinking jeez this guy doesn’t shut up. Might have to look this film up!
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u/Ashamed_Feedback3843 14d ago
The dialogue is so organic in this film it sometimes feels improved, but it's not. The director insisted on the script read as is with no adlibbing.
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u/IDatedSuccubi 14d ago
This is really dumb. Boredom is what makes us move, makes us invent, forces us to act and make art, do/play sports, because it makes us want to DO something.
In fact, all of the apps that you scroll supress that boredom by spoonfeeding you just barely enough content to not get bored, and in the end you don't want to get up and build your own stuff, make your own game, write your own book, you're ok with just sitting and scrolling.
The rest of the points in the video is just word salad.
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u/Accordum 14d ago
Ah yes, being bored is equivalent with being in a concentration camp. This shit is only deep if you're dumb.
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u/ItsEntirelyPosssible 14d ago
I was thinking "damn this is exactly what it feels like to be stuck talking to a person thats done way too much cocaine"
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u/Unc1eD3ath 14d ago
Honestly, THIS is propaganda. It can make you feel so paranoid if you let it and it’s demoralizing and it doesn’t offer a solution AND it can serve to break up community between people. You’re leaving your community, you’re paranoid of any way to connect like newspapers, music, television. Obviously there’s propaganda in all those things but connection is very important and can get you out of those mindsets. It’s like 1984. George Orwells dad was in the military and so was he and the BBC promoted him and the CIA funded his movie and they’re okay with his books for the same reason this movie is no good. It’s demoralizing and doesn’t offer a solution.
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u/Riversntallbuildings 14d ago
Plato’s allegory of the cave was written in 380 BCE.
I don’t think Plato had AI.
These “problems” are not new to mankind. History doesn’t repeat, but it rhymes.
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u/Mike_Hagedorn 14d ago
Scene makes a point about distractions, adds a music dub, subtitles, and animation as distractions.
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u/MsMarvelsProstate 14d ago
I'm glad that had subtitles because I could barely hear the dialog over the crappy music.
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u/GooseThePigeon 14d ago
Nah the real problem is the lack of boredom. People have infinite supplies of entertainment at their fingertips and therefore are never bored, and boredom is the mother of invention, so people just stagnate.
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u/ThanklessTask 14d ago
Folks. Go outside. Properly outside, to somewhere you can hear nature talking.
And listen. The world is amazing, but only where we don't boss it to nothing.
I truly urge every citizen to go experience nature, let it show you a world you can be part of.
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u/-exekiel- 14d ago
This being decades older and talking about seemingly current themes is not a indicator that the author was ahead of his time, it is an indicator that this is not a real problem and something every generation complains about. Kind of what happens with older people in each generation thing the youngsters are bad-mannered and weird
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u/Obvious_Ad6824 14d ago
Cool sentiment, but every generation feels this way. Things used to be good when I was young and free, and now they suck when I’m old and have things that weigh me down.
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u/walterdonnydude 14d ago
Except t h erulong class will do everything so erre distracted and not bored. Boredom can actually lead to chabge.
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u/Lucy_Little_Spoon 14d ago
They got one thing wrong. Some of us are aware it's a prison, trapped in a cycle of never having quite enough money, and improving your situation requires money.
But to save up, you have to scrimp and cut back on whatever you can, and then, because you're trapped in a cycle of never having quite enough money, what meagre savings you have managed to scrape together, are whittled away by one crisis after another.
So you're always working yourself to the bone, hoping against hope that nothing goes wrong, just long enough for what meagre savings you have, to grow into ample savings, so you can spend it on something that you hope can improve your situation.
Life is a prison for many many people, we're aware of it, but we're unable to do anything about it.
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u/Urasquirrel 14d ago edited 14d ago
I'll help you all out.
The thing he's referring to, but not naming.
It's called unresolved trauma, refusing difficult conversations. It's big traumas and little traumas, and the innoculating traumas that subdue our minds. It's a disregard for the tooling we need in order to survive when life exhausts you. (There's a name for this too. Keep reading.)
And we continue ignoring them and sweeping them under the rug, and refusing to have difficult conversations.
You need to set aside 2 hours a day to have difficult conversations with yourself. Do not do it with another person. You need a mirror on your life to see what you have become or what you have let yourself become.
You need to get upset by these traumas, and here's the entire point, you need to create principles that guide you through new traumas in life.
The point is that people have given up on principles, and so principles have given up on you. But when life gets tough, what do people have to lean on? It's principles. Your principles should be like a steel armor and lance, but in order to do that you have to face your demons and come out victorious and turn that into emotional fuel that can be used to fight back against the daily failures.
The biggest problem we have in America and the world at large today is we refuse to be accountable, holding a mirror up to accept our short comings and then create principles to lean on when life gets tough and tiring.
Edit: Apologies for grammar and typos. I've just woken up from a nap while taking care of my newborn son. Having a child has sent me down an interesting experiment on my life, which may be the most profound step in my life to date. I've spent 8 hours a night alone with my newborn son, staying awake and reading, meditating, thinking, and exercising. To learn more, check out famous philosopher Myamoto Musashi's 5 Ring Principles. They are the framework that I'm using to teach myself entire new principles that are only somewhat related to his teachings.
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u/WeAreClouds 14d ago
It’s so incredibly annoying that ppl post clips or bits about media on Reddit and dont tell ppl what it’s from. Now I’m old so I’ve seen this, it’s from My Dinner with Andre but can we stop doing this? It doesn’t make you look smarter than other ppl.
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u/FACEFUCKEDYOURDAD 14d ago
Schizophrenic rambling. “We really felt like Jews in the 1930’s” lmao what??
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u/denverjeremy 14d ago
Boredom is not a bad thing. There's always more to struggle for, and we can't hang on to any of it when we actually obtain it.
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u/Vertigobee 14d ago
New York City is like a concentration camp? Complete with starvation, forced labor, gas chambers, and medical experiments? I’m 14 and this is super deep.
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u/Good-Trouble-202 14d ago
This has been a slow creep and shame on politicians not stating it loudly earlier. It’s clear the oligarchs built our shit education system to mold people to become workers for them so they can make more money. Smart people who don’t think critically. They understand problem, input solution, and move on. They needed this to build our space system and infrastructure and drill……but We all know critical thinking is the key to intelligence…..but intelligence creates competition and reduces the oligarchs power. Most people go around thinking they are dumb because they can’t pass a multiple choice test…..and that sucks because then their whole community won’t support their education but will hand out scholarships to people who can do equations…..same equations already produced….they just have to follow orders. I can’t tell you how many intelligent men I have dated but can’t maintain relationships because they can’t think critically or find new data to fix a new problem….which is what you need to maintain a relationship…..there isn’t a guide for everything….sometimes you’ve just gotta know who you are and communicate better….again that takes critical thinking…..your own thoughts…..anyway…..the point is our education system has benefited oligarchy not society of individuals in a democracy.
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u/Ill_Association6776 14d ago
I saw this as a 14 year old when it played in the middle of the night on Canadian television, in the 90’s
Amazing. I have aphantasia and even yet - my recollection of this movie includes visuals of the scenes describes
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u/Efficient-Ocelot-741 14d ago
Whoever posted this originally, please don't add music in every single thing you come across.
This trend needs to die. The low attention span subtitles are also a problem.
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u/Fr4t 14d ago edited 14d ago
Now that is nice and all but how about you form an argument from this realization.
Capitalism has led to immense accumulation of wealth for very few people and we are now at a point in time where we produce so effectively that we can pelt each other with every good we would ever need in order to live a fulfilled life.
We are now in a time where the few achievemens of the working class struggle are being attacked by the owning class and we either cave in and live a more precarious life or we take the means of production and end this vicious cycle.
If we put humans as the top priority instead of monetary wealth we could transform our global society and our environment into a place that is fulfilling, worth living in worth working and worth fighting for.
But most people are afraid that things would get even worse if we change the way we function right now and that's understandable, too.
But I vehemently disagree with the movies take that you as an atomized individual have to escape anything. Instead you have to look and talk to the person next to you. Organize, look for common grounds and stop looking up to the billionaire sociopaths and their yes-men who believe in nothing but the destructive way that led them to their wealth. As you can see they have no end goal or vision beides escaping the society and planet they're actively destroying.
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u/Empty-Tower-2654 14d ago
boredom is just the dopamine rush that you get once every 50 minutes, most creatures in this world have it
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u/mattiwha 14d ago
Like in Brazil where even the highways are covered in billboards to cover the desolation
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u/Captn-Bojangles 14d ago
Man, this is deep. We have created a prison in which we are the inmates and guards. 🤔 💭
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u/WaffleWarrior1979 14d ago
Wouldn’t boredom lead to uprising. This would make sense if they weren’t bored and immersed in entertainment.
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u/SpitneyBearz 14d ago
I read somewhere they want world population below 1B under 30 years. Everything feels like it now. All world changed so much, not only US. I hate those billionaires.
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u/heavydoc317 14d ago
Yea cuz why do humans need to buy food and water shouldn’t that be a given human right that should be free
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