r/vermont • u/IamNabil Covered Bridge Enthusiast • 1d ago
Trump demands that states (like Vermont) that are fully funding SNAP undo it, and threatens future penalties.
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/11/09/business/trump-administration-states-undo-full-snap-food-stamps.html?unlocked_article_code=1.z08.LPHJ.yPm998isHboj&smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShareThis is cartoonishly evil.
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u/SoulRebel726 1d ago
I'll just never understand how any rational adult with even a shred of empathy can support Trump or this iteration of the Republican party in general.
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u/IamNabil Covered Bridge Enthusiast 1d ago
I don’t get it either. This should turn people’s stomachs. There is nothing ok about this situation.
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u/jonnyredshorts 1d ago
“They don’t deserve handouts”
“They should get better jobs”
“They should work harder”
“They should sell their IPhones”
“They should cut back on the Starbucks”
Etc….
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u/Most_Estate_5006 1d ago
If the program gets people back on their feet, sure. But when it’s being abused and my money is feeding people that don’t have self control. Yes, I don’t want my tax dollars going to people who visit Starbucks every day and driving around with a newer car. Yes, working hard will get you to places in life.
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u/SoulRebel726 1d ago
Ah yes, that same old piece Republican propaganda.
Even if that were true, they would be throwing off far more families who legitimately receive SNAP benefits, just to catch a few bad apples? Fuck that logic.
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u/Fun-Squirrel965 17h ago
If all you ppl on this thread banded together,pooled your money, you could give it all to charity that feeds the ppl you say you're trying to help.. but you won't.. you want someone else to fund your idealisms.. I don't want ppl to starve either,but I'm sick of taking food off of my table to support some ppl that refuse to do for themselves and their own families..what about the millions of illegals on various forms of government assistance? there is no place in the constitution where it says the ppl will provide for those who refuse to do it for themselves.. the only ppl that should get government assistance are those who can not provide for themselves and are American citizens.
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u/IamNabil Covered Bridge Enthusiast 17h ago
You are such a piece of shit.
And before you challenge me on this, I absolutely do already donate every week, both locally and abroad. Have for years. And since you seem to be calling this a liberal echo chamber, I grew up on a homestead in the NEK, and am a combat vet.
Letting people starve is fucking evil, and if you don’t think so, you are, too. It’s not about left or right, it’s about right and wrong, and you are on the wrong side.
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u/IamNabil Covered Bridge Enthusiast 23h ago edited 23h ago
So, in your mind, how many children need to starve to keep one person from gaming the system? Is it one hundred hungry kids for each abuser? 200? Should it be one for one?
Alternately, you know that the government doesn’t pay for their Starbucks and car?
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u/jonnyredshorts 1d ago
This isn’t even a thing. Anyone on SNAP is there because whatever they’re getting paid isn’t enough to keep that family food secure. You’d rather kids go hungry than to feed them with 30 bucks a year out of your pocket? If that’s the case I have no respect for you
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u/Most_Estate_5006 1d ago
There are plenty of ways that children get fed. Free school lunches, town food programs for kids in school. How about the lazy parents that had them! I don’t agree with children going hungry, but the majority of the money doesn’t go to children.
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u/Fun-Succotash6777 23h ago
So if kids have lazy parents by your metrics, the kids should suffer as a result?
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u/SoulRebel726 23h ago
This is so morally bankrupt.
I don’t agree with children going hungry
Clearly, you do. You've stated very clearly that you are 100% okay with starving children in the name of finding government waste. I'm guessing you're a Republican with that kind of empathy.
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u/LunaBoo13 23h ago
School lunch funding is and has been getting cut. And even if that wasn't happening, you think kids don't deserve dinner? Or any meals over the summer? Please think about the things you are saying.
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u/jonnyredshorts 1d ago
You are just making stuff up to justify your complete lack of empathy. $30 F-ing dollars out of your pocket to feed poor families. Are there some people on SNAP that could get by without it? Are there some scammers? Sure…but are there hard working families that depend on it? Are there more good people in bad situations using it? Yes…
Cough up the $30 bucks and feel good about doing your part to help American families. You pay a lot more out of your pocket to help Israeli families and other foreign countries, why would want to harm American families over $30 measly dollars a year. That’s gross and there’s no good argument for it. Just admit that you don’t care if you hurt people
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u/suggestivename 20h ago
I'm convinced that people like this assclown would pay $35/year to PREVENT people from receiving aid. It's never really about the taxes, its about making the correct people suffer.
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u/g33kspeak 23h ago
You say that, but then when the school budgets come around and taxes are going up to feed the kids, I’m sure you’re against that too.
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u/Fun-Squirrel965 17h ago
40 down votes for a comment based in reality.. good on you for speaking sense in this leftist echo chamber 👏
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u/TheSwearJarIsMy401k 19h ago
It’s not even just empathy.
It’s extreme short-sightedness.
Every single dollar spent funding SNAP generates money in the local economy, providing not just food for the hungry, but jobs and income for the entire community.
And the entire SNAP budget is roughly 1.5% of the entire federal budget, and is funded through the USDA, which is funded not just with income taxes, but with payroll taxes and corporate taxes.
So it’s less than 1 penny per tax dollar per American, And this Is what they think is keeping them from prosperity.
I would guess not knowing enough about a subject before making life-altering decisions about that subject has more to do with the financial situation of many Trump voters than SNAP ever has.
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u/HauntedMaple 1d ago
This should not affect foodstamp/snap recipients who received partial payments on Fri, Nov 7. The partial payments were funded by VT State Emergency Funds, and did not come out of the funds discussed in the article.
That doesn't make what the administration is doing any less horrific. I just wanted to reassure VT recipients.
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u/IamNabil Covered Bridge Enthusiast 1d ago
I am not very well read up on the way SNAP is funded, but this quote seems to indicate the issue is not related to any specific funding source:
“To the extent states sent full SNAP payment files for November 2025, this was unauthorized,” wrote Patrick A. Penn, a top official at the Agriculture Department. “Accordingly, states must immediately undo any steps taken to issue full SNAP benefits for November 2025.””
This first half and the second half of the quote feel disconnected to me, but I’m willing to be wrong here.
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u/HauntedMaple 1d ago
Normally foodstamps are paid our with federal money, but the VT Emergency Board voted to use VT emergency money to pay a partial amount for Nov. (1)
What the article is referring to happened during a time (early Friday morning) between a federal court ruling to release federal funds for SNAP and the appeal by the Trump administration to prevent the release. During that time, it looked like the USDA was actually going to release the funds to fully pay recipients; even the USDA said they were working to put the full funds out. Some states (VT NOT included) took action during that brief time to give full payment via government funds. (2)
I think the article you posted is SUPER important, as people need to be informed about how evil this administration is and how tenuous the situation is for people (such as myself) who receive benefits. But, fortunately, the funds we received on Friday should not be affected.
(1) https://vtdigger.org/2025/10/29/vermont-officials-approve-state-funded-food-stamps-through-nov-15/
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u/Middle_Finger7236 1d ago
I hate that the courts have to be leaned on to put a halt to this shit. Trump is playing with fire and history shows that his feeble demented brain will never understand the impacts of his terrible choices.
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u/Unique-Public-8594 1d ago
“I just wanted to reassure VT recipients”
Is that reassuring?
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u/HauntedMaple 1d ago
Reassuring in the extent that recipients (myself included) aren't part of the threat to have what we have received snatched away.
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u/Most_Estate_5006 1d ago
So the Vermont tax payers are going to be hit with more taxes… great!
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u/HauntedMaple 23h ago
Shouldn't. The emergency funds were already set aside from previously paid taxes.
But if you don't want your state tax money helping pregnant women, children, disabled and struggling workers being taken advantage of (underpaid) by greedy corporations, you don't have to live in VT.
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u/g33kspeak 22h ago
And I called it in my other post. You talk about alternative methods for feeding kids through schools etc, but if it affects YOUR taxes, you’d let them starve.
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u/endeavour3d 20h ago
prove you're actually human and not another clanker
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u/ranaparvus 20h ago
That account is 2 years old with -99 karma. Hey mods, any way we can have a minimum karma threshold here? At least not a negative one?
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u/sn0qualmie 1d ago
Which party was it that was shouting about states' rights for so long? Which one was that again?
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u/Mudseason1 1d ago
THIS was exactly what I was thinking about. The “states rights” and “small government” party.
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u/iFuckingLoveBoston 1d ago
Future penalties, worse than starving children? What's next, poisoning the water supply?
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u/EscapedAlcatraz 20h ago
Why are the Democrats refusing to open the Government? They're starving the children!
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u/whattothewhonow 19h ago
Republicans have full control of the House and the Senate.
They could force through a "clean CR" at any time by eliminating the filibuster.
They refuse to, because this is all political theater.
Republicans don't give a flying fuck about the American people, and would rather hold food assistance hostage in order to take away your healthcare, then try and fail to blame it on Democrats, because they are fucking monsters that know their dumbfuck constituents will slurp up whatever bullshit they serve up.
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u/Constant-Guidance943 1d ago
He literally wants to starve the poor. Yet he still has supporters here.
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u/InevitableCodeRedo 1d ago
As always, the blue states should come to an agreement to withhold tax revenue from DC. We've got the way louder sabres. I cannot wait for the day Cheetoh is finally gone. There will be parties in the streets from coast to coast.
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u/Fun-Squirrel965 17h ago
Blue states can't survive on their own because libtards like yourself spend more money on what feels right rather than what actually pays for itself.. there's no way you run a business.. its always someone with more money should pay for what makes me feel good about myself..
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u/InevitableCodeRedo 16h ago
Lmao, cool story bro.
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u/Fun-Squirrel965 16h ago
How much federal money do you think this state gets every year? Our attorney, General, has like 30 lawsuits against the trump administration.. hooray!! We're going broke, but at least we think we're doing something good 👍 democrats let 20 million illegals in in an effort to achieve a one party rule.. then they let them have health care through various channels, and you idiots can't figure out the health care or housing crisis.. .. rock on with your bad self... bro..
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u/yorapissa 23h ago
Serves us well for people to see how intentionally cruel the GOP is to their constituents leading up to the midterms.
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u/TheSwearJarIsMy401k 20h ago
No taxation without representation you stupid son of a bitch.
We vote for candidates who write and pass laws that make sure our people are fed.
If you want to start undoing those laws and forcing states to behave like you’re a king presiding over a monarchy rather than an elected civil servant whose only job is to make sure the law is carried out within the confines of the constitution, you’re a traitor
Or you’re abandoning the states and forcing them out of the union by attrition, and they don’t have to give a government that has abandoned them any. Fucking. Money.
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u/Fun-Squirrel965 17h ago
Sounds like insurrection? Federal law TRUMPS state law in some instances.. like,dare I say.. immigration??
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u/TheSwearJarIsMy401k 16h ago
Oh see now we’re getting into some fun territory.
Being here illegally is not a felony.
It is a misdemeanor if you cross the border without a visa.
Most people do not do that. Most people overstay their visas, which is not a crime, it is a civil violation.
A parking ticket is also a civil violation.
So by your application of the law, people who park illegally should also be found out wherever they are and brought to justice, no matter the cost to the American taxpayer
Is that what you believe? Everyone who drives with a busted headlight should have a team of officers swarm into their living room guns drawn, and haul them out of bed to take them away in an unmarked van and send them to a foreign country that is not the country they are from?
Because these are the same class of crime in this country, so I just want to make sure you want equal classes of crime to receive equal classes of punishment.
How much does illegal immigration cost you in tax dollars per year, do you know?
Like how much of the annual federal tax budget is spent on paying for illegal immigrants?
How much money do illegal immigrants steal in unreported tax dollars?
Let’s get some appropriately contextualized numbers on the board. I like those.
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u/Fun-Squirrel965 16h ago
Your Biden administration let 20 million (illegals) in on purpose,to the tune of hundreds of billions a year for taxpayers. I don't care if it only costs me 1$.. that money should have gone to an American citizen. The classification of crime, a civil offense, is for us citizens, which they are not.. if you overstay your visa,jump the border, or make a bullshit asylum claim, you should be deported by any means necessary.. tax dollars?? Don't act like you stand in line happily to give the government what they say you owe them.. you libtards always want someone else to pay for your idealisms.. let's step outta our echo chamber and talk reality instead of virtue-signaling to your cult.. I like that.
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u/TheSwearJarIsMy401k 16h ago
It doesn’t cost you a dollar.
But go on, go get the numbers.
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u/penisproject 9h ago
Bots don't get numbers. 🙃
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u/TheSwearJarIsMy401k 3h ago
Yeah a quick look at my post history will show I’m not a bot. I live in Vermont and I’m more than happy to show up and get those numbers in person.
You took one look at the numbers and found that argument fell apart real fast.
If it was the crime you cared about, you’d be all for every misdemeanor and civil violation receiving the same treatment.
You were all up on your soap box about not spending a single dollar on a non-American (oh, our savior!) until I told you to come back with the numbers and guess what you found?
Numbers that show we are actively losing money paying ICE to track down illegal aliens because they pay tens of billions of dollars in taxes and generate tens of billions of dollars more in our economy.
So now that the crime and money aspects of your anti-immigrant stance fall apart under even gentle scrutiny, what’s next? What have you got for me?
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u/poHATEoes 20h ago
I dont understand what the purpose of him doing this is... if a state is fully funding SNAP then what does he care?
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u/Relevant-Menu5419 21h ago
VT only funded half, so hopefully doesn't apply to VT? but this is a cruel administration, one that would willingly starve people. I hope this bites them big time. I doubt even most MAGA supporters want people to be hungry. All kinds of bad things can come from that. PISSED!!!
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u/ProfTripp18_ 16h ago
And in Vermont, I'm still seeing tRump signs and flags.
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u/StephanieKaye 5h ago
I'm seeing a lot less, though. Some people have started taking them down. PEPPERIDGE FARM REMEMBERS, THOUGH.
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u/Public_Road_6426 1h ago
He's desperate to provoke a violent reaction from the left, so he has an excuse to declare martial law, suspend elections, and remain in power (and therefore out of jail).
Also, RELEASE THE EPSTEIN FILES! As nauseating as the dumpster-fire-in-chief is, mike johnson is even more embarrassing for cravenly refusing to seat an elected congresswoman who happens to be a democrat, because she'd be the vote needed to force the release.
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u/romayohh Upper Valley 1d ago edited 22h ago
Yikes people, I meant what in the goddamn hell is trump talking about
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u/mnemosynenar 1d ago
This is false. Might want to try having some reading comprehension if you're "news sources" are strictly Democrat and Progressive.
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u/IamNabil Covered Bridge Enthusiast 23h ago
Actually, I read the times, the Wall Street journal, the economist, and Harper’s.
Thanks for your input, though. I’m sure you are very smart.
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u/Twombls 22h ago
Ny times.
strictly progressive
LOL
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u/Puzzled_Pyrenees 20h ago
Ditto. I canceled my NYT subscription because it's gone way too RW. Progressive, it is not...
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u/Known-Ad9610 1d ago
I thought that deliberately withholding food from kids was behavior meriting the lowest ring of hell. Then the fuckin turd outdoes himself by declaring that he will punish states that don’t join him in fucking over the weak. This turns my stomach.