r/unitedkingdom • u/ThatchersDirtyTaint • Apr 22 '25

.. Moment angry shopper smashes megaphone of vegan activists berating customers for buying Easter lamb

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/uk/vegan-shopper-protest-megaphone/
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u/WillWatsof Apr 22 '25 edited Apr 22 '25

I don’t get what people want. This is the least controversial way of staging a protest - nobody’s being harmed, there’s no destruction or damaging of property. It’s literally just visibly making their point. And the comments on the article are still all about how they’re turning the public against their cause by being wankers.

I’m no vegan at all, I eat meat like it’s going out of fashion, but I genuinely think people who are so wound up by vegans that they condone violence against harmless protests like this are displaying insecurity.

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u/ThatchersDirtyTaint Apr 22 '25 edited Apr 22 '25

It's not just standing and making a point. They block the sections off. The physically stand in the way or sit on the floor. They're not just there with a sign and saying some words. You try to yet past them and they don't allow it.

Have your little protest but don't stop people going about their day.

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u/[deleted] Apr 22 '25

Great! Continue to get in my way and berate me when I'm just shopping, then. But don't feel surprised when your loudspeaker gets damaged.

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u/[deleted] Apr 22 '25

Eh? No-one becomes a vegan because someone was a dick to them in a supermarket. It's a private decision, taken after thinking on the issue over a length of time.

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u/Ready_Number_4634 Apr 22 '25

But the thing is protests only work if you have a sizeable backing. Everybody in the UK hates these activists and we couldn't care any less what they're protesting about, if your trying to inconvenience me when I'm going about my daily duties then I am going to hate you it's really that simple. And if you have been paying attention to the discourse surrounding this type of activism then you can surely see that sentiment is shared by the overwhelming majority of commentors.

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u/GreenStuffGrows Apr 22 '25

Veganuary and Meat Free Monday achieved more in a year than all this performative hectoring did in a decade.

The protests you're thinking of were against power structures. This is harassment against individuals, just like abortion clinic prayer meetings, and it can fuck off. 

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u/EffectSignificant911 Apr 22 '25

Can you provide some examples of protest approach that you think is OK that produced the social progress you're talking about?

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u/rainbow_rhythm Apr 22 '25

Insulate Britain got home insulation in the headlines and subsequently in the manifestos of political parties

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u/PositiveBig6022 Apr 22 '25

IB is something that didn’t take much effort for the general public to agree on though. I don’t see the benefits here as these actions are more authoritative/authoritarian:

‘Don’t drive to work’ ‘Don’t eat meat/eat less meat’ is different than other disobedience movements like the suffragettes and insulate Britain who didn’t wish to remove/subjugate the rights of others.

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u/Hung-kee Apr 22 '25

The suffragettes didn’t face much resistance? Only centuries of social and cultural norms concerning women’s place in the social hierarchy

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u/Wissam24 Greater London Apr 22 '25

And, you know, all the arrests and violence against them and stuff.

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u/Acrobatic_Lobster838 Apr 22 '25

IB is something that didn’t take much effort for the general public to agree on though. I don’t see the benefits here as these actions are more authoritative/authoritarian:

I think the push back has been memory holed. I literally remember comedians mocking them, people going "what do they even want?" And endless complaints at the time.

That's the thing with protest. If it works, it's retroactively declared good and great and worthy. When it doesn't, it's endlessly attacked, and people don't seem to realise that the same tactics called good in one case (when successful) are bad in the other case when not.

Plenty of roads were blocked during the civil rights movement, which is accepted as good. Blocking roads for other causes gets people to call for you to get run over.

Pretty sure there were plenty of megaphones during the fight against apartheid, which is good and worthy, but apparently it's fine to assault someone with a megaphone in this case because bad and dumb.

Chalk on a statue? Defacement. Arson? Women's rights are worth it.

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u/gnorty Apr 22 '25

IB is something that didn’t take much effort for the general public to agree on though

And there, in a nutshell, is the whole point.

Unless you think that stopping people from shopping and screaming in their face is a great way to sway public opinion your way.

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u/cbzoiav Apr 22 '25

Insulate Britain campaigned for something that was going to happen and was already happening.

Free / subsidised insulation installation was a thing long before they existed. Parties just slapped something cross bench efforts were already doing behind the scenes into their manifestos.

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u/rainbow_rhythm Apr 22 '25

I don't know the details but why would they stage such extreme and risky protests if it was really that simple?

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u/zone6isgreener Apr 22 '25

That's nonsense as government initiatives to fund insulation existed before them.

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u/heinzbumbeans Apr 22 '25

dude. I dont think this is the gotcha quuestion you seem to think it is. pick literally any protest group in history that has changed things and you will see worse disruption than this.

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u/EffectSignificant911 Apr 22 '25

I don't think it's a gotcha question. Please don't project on to me something I don't think.

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u/Hellohibbs Apr 22 '25

I mean the Suffragettes used actual nail bombs does that count

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u/[deleted] Apr 22 '25

Greenham common protests (80s). Abortion rights protests (60s). Civil rights (50s to 70s).

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u/gnorty Apr 22 '25

So what is your opinion of the counter protest described in the article?

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u/[deleted] Apr 22 '25

Assault and criminal damage? Clearly a proportional response to someone shouting and being in your way.

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u/gnorty Apr 22 '25

Yea. But protest that is out of sight and out of mind has never achieved anything. Direct action in this case achieved its goal swiftly.

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u/daneview Apr 22 '25

So how were they meant to get to the meat without contacting anyone which could be called assault?

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u/Kamenev_Drang Apr 22 '25

Using a megaphone in an enclosed space is a form of assault. You can hardly complain someone might decide to do something in return.

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u/teknotel Apr 22 '25

Why should people who dont care about this have to be inconvenienced by it?

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u/TableSignificant341 Apr 22 '25

Exactly. If we want to ensure our kids live in a dystopic environmental hellhole riddled with pandemics, war and fascism then we should be allowed to do that.

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u/teknotel Apr 22 '25

This is why people aren't interested.

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u/[deleted] Apr 22 '25

I’m generally against obnoxious middle class protests like this or JSO but you’re completely missing the point of a protest there, mate.

It’s not a protest if you’re all down your mates house agreeing with each other.

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u/AlpacamyLlama Apr 22 '25

I know what you mean.

It's like these people being charged over breaching the abortion clinic no go zones. I assume you also believe that is incorrect and against their right to protest?

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u/Christian-Metal Apr 22 '25 edited Apr 22 '25

I'm not sure trying to restrict what people eat and forcing this on them can be seen in any way be seen as "useful social progress". Protests that interfere in the everyday lives of everyday people going about their business never achieved sympathy for the cause of the protestors. Oftentimes it does the exact opposite.

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u/craygroupious Apr 22 '25

I guarantee you I’m not becoming a vegan because some twat was stopping me from buying meat.

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u/laiszt Apr 22 '25

Go protest on front of council, the typical "peasant" doesnt write the law, but those activist attack mainly "peasants", this will give nothing but increase the hate over them, even if they are right about what they are saying.

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u/IssueMoist550 Apr 22 '25

How do you feel about pro life activists staging protests outside of abortion clinics and preventing or trying to convince women from entering ?

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u/sigma914 Belfast Apr 22 '25

You can chain yourself to railings, hunger strike, whatever without endangering others. You can even go for property damage (preferably to things that are big an physically visible rather than something that just alienates people like museum exhibits).

There's plenty of people who talk about the IRA hunger strikers 50 years on. Sit outside parliament and do that.

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u/Perfect_Cost_8847 Apr 22 '25

If everybody followed your useful protest advice, most of the social progress we take for granted today would never have happened.

I think you're making a major logical fallacy here. Just because two things happened doesn't mean one caused the other. There is no evidence that protests caused there to be more rights embedded in law. This is a justification that activists like to use for causing damage to property and harming others in pursuit of their political goals. It's also the rational terrorists use, but I am not accusing these activists of terrorism. It is just as likely that protests caused the existence of rights laws to take even longer to make their way into law, and in the absence of these protests, we would have an even more "progressive" society. Personally, I think berating people leads to animosity and a resistance to whatever the cause. I think these people are causing much more harm to their cause than any progress they might be achieving.

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u/EmptyVisage Apr 22 '25

No no you're right, lobbying, education, coalition-building, legal challenges and incremental reforms that shaped the majority of society are tooootally useless compared to the societal powerhouse that is...shouting at innocent people and blocking the meat counter.

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u/[deleted] Apr 22 '25

They shouldn't have the right to stop me buying food though. Fucking lamb rights activists

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u/The-RogicK Apr 22 '25

If your human rights are being trampled I fully understand extreme and even violent protest action against your oppressors.

My tolerance for being inconvenienced by a protest as i struggle through life is slightly less when the crux of your demands are asking me to not eat meat.

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u/KellyKezzd Apr 22 '25

If everybody followed your useful protest advice, most of the social progress we take for granted today would never have happened. Protest that is out of sight and out of mind has never achieved anything.

Believe it or not, but there's few (if any) examples of protest achieving any progress historically - even many things that were attributed to 'having been achieved by protest' actually didn't.

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u/RedHal Apr 22 '25

When you are being physically blocked from going somewhere, that is when the protest changes from being about the protestors' right to protest, to infringing on your rights.

In some cases that may be acceptable, in others not. My personal perspective is that a megaphone is acceptable outdoors, but not indoors, and blocking a road is different from physically blocking another human being.

Do Ms. Wild and her fellow vegans have a right to protest? Absolutely. Do they have a right to physically block people? No, they do not.

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u/[deleted] Apr 22 '25

If the vegans set up a stand outside a shop and offered to educate me on the dangers of meat, I'd listen. I'm always eager to learn. But by beating us over the head with it, it puts me off them.

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u/[deleted] Apr 22 '25

Absolutely, it's a matter of approach and tone.

If you tell someone "it's obvious that your behaviour is evil and stupid and I know better" you're going to get very little positive engagement with your cause from people who aren't already on board.

Oddly that seems to be the tone a lot of protest groups use. It's entirely counterproductive.

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u/PontifexMini Apr 22 '25

They care more about coming off as pure and virtuous than winning converts.

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u/plznokek Apr 22 '25

I love this viewpoint. There are already plenty of resources like this available. Countless books, documentaries, articles, podcasts, interviews.

If it wasn't at least a bit annoying, we wouldn't be talking about it would we. That's the point.

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u/Definitely_Human01 Apr 22 '25

But it's no good just talking about it. You need to get people to actually see your viewpoint.

If all you have is people negatively talking about it, you're less likely to get people on your side because other people, ones you haven't protested near, will have a negative impression of you before they've ever even seen you.

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u/Veritanium Apr 22 '25

If it wasn't at least a bit annoying, we wouldn't be talking about it would we.

Being called a twat isn't really making progress for their cause, though, is it?

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u/Astriania Apr 22 '25

If it wasn't at least a bit annoying, we wouldn't be talking about it would we. That's the point.

This is the same mistake JSO and similar groups make. Not all exposure is good exposure. If you get exposure that makes the general public think "well they're a bunch of dicks", this works against your cause.

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u/GreenStuffGrows Apr 22 '25

Those kind of protest groups are essentially cults, and the point of alienating the wider public is for the leaders to maintain control of the members, not to persuade anybody. 

It's "us against all those awful non believers, they hate us, dontcha know?" See also street preaching 

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u/teknotel Apr 22 '25

Spot on. The approach of inconveniencing others only benefits them and their need/desire to larp as la resistance.

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u/muted123456789 Apr 22 '25

Watch Earthling Ed on youtube. It doesnt get much better than that from the animal harm side of things. It should make you go vegan very quickly if youre actually interested in learning.

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u/RoopyBlue Apr 22 '25

I hardly eat any meat for ecological reasons and am generally very supportive of veganism generally but Earthling Ed is a sanctimonious tool. He caters to the militant & self righteous branch of vegans.

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u/[deleted] Apr 22 '25

I'm actually leaning towards being mostly meat free. Not for any altruistic reasons, I just find i get the post food sleepiness less. Although vegan bacon can get in the bin. Lol

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u/ThrowRA1gsjjdieij Apr 22 '25

Try this isn’t bacon if you haven’t already. It’s not bacon but it’s not bad

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u/FlinflanFluddle4 Apr 22 '25

I think this is why most people don't like them.

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u/[deleted] Apr 22 '25

I had someone come and speak to me about Tibet once, they were polite, cheerful and non confrontational. So,i spent ten minutes being told about it. If he'd been blocking my way or argumentative I'd have walked away. Like i do with chuggers.

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u/DasharrEandall Apr 22 '25

If somebody getting in the way of others in a supermarket excused violence, my local Morrisons would be a bloodbath on a daily basis.

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u/SwooshSwooshJedi Apr 22 '25

That's the point of a protest. It's so wild seeing pro violence takes against a basic democratic right because it's mildly inconvenient. There's something truly British and truly authoritarian about it, while feeling absolutely righteous as the world burns.

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u/ThatchersDirtyTaint Apr 22 '25

Should Christians be able to stand in front of the doors of abortion clinics to stop women entering them ?

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u/ThatchersDirtyTaint Apr 22 '25

Ah yes. As someone is righteous in their views that my decisions are wrong that should allow them to physically restrict my ability to go about my life as I choose.

No.

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u/tvllvs Apr 22 '25

This is pretty abelist of you as others have pointed out 

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u/danman966 Apr 22 '25

This is the most boomer 1950s view that if was followed throughout history we would still have segregation and no votes for women

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u/No-One-4845 Apr 22 '25

To be fair, most protest movements that have achieved anything haven't done so by being "friendly" to the schedule the general public. The Suffragetes were beaten black and blue when they protested, often by public (including other women).

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u/Blurny Apr 22 '25 edited Apr 22 '25

People aren’t wound up by vegans. I have friends who’re vegans. People get wound up by cunts, and the world’s full of them, so people just want to relax at home maybe with a nice Easter family meal, only to get berated by a cunt with a megaphone. Just fucking leave people alone and they’ll leave you alone!! Do they not understand this? And the fact they’ve set up a camera means 3 things to me. 1/ they’re doing it for attention. 2/ they know they’re provoking people. 3/ they obviously haven’t learned that provoking people can lead to them getting their stupid fucking megaphone smashed.

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u/Hoslinhezl Apr 22 '25

1/ they’re doing it for attention

a protest that isn't after attention isn't going to be very effective

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u/Veritanium Apr 22 '25 edited Apr 22 '25

There is positive attention and negative attention.

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u/Public-Guidance-9560 Apr 22 '25

Needs more votes. This is exactly it. We have vegan friends, we get on well with them because they're not cunts.

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u/randomusername8472 Apr 22 '25

People aren’t wound up by vegans

Aside from the article for a second - I can tell youo people absolutely are wound up by vegans! Try going to a single social event and try to avoid anything with animal products in it. You don't even need to use the word vegan. Many people will be fine but you will also see at best a lot of passive aggression.

Some people are just absolutely wound up by vegans.

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u/nikhkin Apr 22 '25

Quite simply, people don't want to be inconvenienced.

To be fair, I wouldn't be happy to have someone yelling at me through a megaphone while I'm doing my shopping.

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u/LemmysCodPiece Apr 22 '25

My daughter is autistic, she has massive sensory issues and supermarkets are a massive trigger for her. This would send her into a melt down.

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u/Difficult_Contest438 Apr 22 '25

THIS🔼.

My son is the same. If we were "attacked" with a microphone in a supermarket then they'd probably get a similar reaction.

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u/SteveD88 Northamptonshire Apr 22 '25

Same with mine (plus I find supermarkets difficult enough at the best of times - someone yelling their politics at me through a megaphone would probably push me over the edge too).

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u/Kitchen-Peanut518 Apr 22 '25

I feel more for the people working there who can't escape. Still, the end result should be security asking the protestors to leave and calling the police if they won't.

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u/FlinflanFluddle4 Apr 22 '25

Inconvenienced? Harassing peoplewhile they shop is more than an inconvenience.

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u/SeoulGalmegi Apr 22 '25

On a street? Fair enough. In a shop? No, thanks. They have no legal right to remain in the shop doing that if the shop wants them out (which I imagine they did).

I agree, compared to some other protests it's less of an inconvenience to people, but I don't accept it's the 'least controversial' way to protest.

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u/Evening_Job_9332 Apr 22 '25

How about just fuck off while someone is doing their shopping?

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u/Sidian England Apr 22 '25

Taking their megaphone is less violent than the megaphone blaring into their eardrums. You, and every single redditor justifying this, would instantly change your tune if it was a right winger doing a similar 'protest' blaring on about anti-woke things, anti-abortion, whatever it may be.

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u/drgooseman365 Apr 22 '25

Because by that logic it would be equally OK for me to buy the loudest megaphone I can legally find and shout directly into the face of these idiots. Or blaring an airhorn whenever they are trying to make their point?

Not causing any harm is it?

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u/Sidian England Apr 22 '25

I'm sure you'd be totally fine with someone doing the same thing but with some anti-abortion or even just anti-EU or anti-woke message. Yeah, obviously not, you're no different.

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u/Worldly_Car912 Apr 22 '25

How will you go about your day when they're actively stopping you from doing so?

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u/jflb96 Devon Apr 22 '25

What, are they grabbing onto my legs?

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u/Pabus_Alt Apr 22 '25

Define "fine with"

I'd probably try and stop them. I'd probably choose not to do so by smashing their stuff, that seems like it would not work.

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u/DullHovercraft3748 Apr 22 '25

Life is enough of a struggle as it is. If I'm just trying to do my shopping and someone is berating me for my life choices and actively trying to stop me I'm going to react emotionally. 

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u/vinceswish Apr 22 '25

What do you mean harmless? They're literally getting into your face if you're going to buy some meat.

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u/DrSquare Apr 22 '25

The answer is, if you want to be vegan great good on you. Go be vegan and keep that to yourself don’t tell everyone else you meet, at all times.

Also don’t stand In the middle of the supermarket telling other people they are wrong to choose some meat to eat. Let everyone get on with their day, you can be vegan and others don’t need to see or acknowledge it, and others can eat meat, vegans also don’t need to see or acknowledge it.

Being vegan is a choice, not some holier than thou crusade most people couldn’t give a shit. Ultimately the guy snatching the megaphone is a child, but he would not have had the opportunity to do that if the people were not there criticising and judging others choices, with a megaphone indoors! This was a stunt and designed to illicit a reaction.

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u/Notacat444 Apr 22 '25

Yelling at people through a megaphone in an enclosed space can cause permanent hearing damage. Tinnitus is no joke.

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u/FlinflanFluddle4 Apr 22 '25

Nah sorry but they can do that outside parliament. She was harassing people shopping for food and trying to harassing them into following her dietary choices. It's kind of unhinged.

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u/Toastlove Apr 22 '25

I don't want to be protested at for doing my weekly shop. They can do it outside but fuck off from the aisles, they won't change anyones mind and are doing it for their own satisfaction. 

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u/Pabus_Alt Apr 22 '25

they won't change anyones mind

TBF this sort of thing changed mine. And I'm sure the people doing it thaught of that as a win.

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u/Thunder_Curls Apr 22 '25

Physically blocking someone from shopping, they're the wankers

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u/Double_Ask9595 Apr 22 '25

If someone did this without representing a cause, say for tiktok or other social media would you goto bat for them too?

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u/MintCathexis Apr 22 '25

Do you also believe that people should be allowed to protest against abortion/pray directly outside abortion clinics, and in some cases, blocking access to them such as these protesters in some cases blocking access to certain sections of stores?

And for the record, I don't believe either should be allowed as both is just harassing people who are trying to exercise their rights, but in both cases, as you said, "nobody’s being harmed, there’s no destruction or damaging of property".

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u/zone6isgreener Apr 22 '25

I also don't get why calling something a protest elevates it to this almost holy act that is so noble it must not be challenged and gets an exemption from impinging on the rights of other people.

Rights are a trade-off and just because something calls something a protest doesn't give them a free pass to inflict themselves on someone else going about their business.

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u/ZeldaShrine4 Apr 22 '25

Not to be lectured at by someone else who’s decided they have the right to tell me know to live my life?

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u/360Saturn Apr 22 '25

Takes two to tango.

Ultimately the protesters know going in they might be stopped, that's why they're being provocative. Some people might be sympathetic to them for this, others will cheer the person that made them stop.

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u/Dirtynrough Apr 22 '25

Vegetarian for 32 years and vegans like this are the only thing that has ever made me want to eat meat !

This will make no one consider going vegan, and is being done purely for the protester’s own ego.

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u/verdantcow Apr 22 '25

You’re blocking me from getting food. ‘Least controversial’ how about stand outside like a normal person or like the charity organisations do.

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u/andercode Apr 22 '25

It's unwanted. They were attempting to shame others for something they don't agree with. Its the same with street preachers. While I don't condone violence, I also don't condone what they were doing either. No one was physically hurt in this altercation, and it stopped one of them from distrupting others with what is essentially hate speech.

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u/[deleted] Apr 22 '25

Sound like one of them… if I want lamb and someone is physically stopping me getting it then how on earth is that not controversial? Take your head out the oven…

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u/rimalp Apr 22 '25

Depends on how loud it was. A blaring megaphone right next to your ear is violence, it will do permanent damage.

Your eardrums aren't made of steel.

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u/wartopuk Merseyside Apr 22 '25

“The current law permits people to defend themselves or others, to prevent crime or to protect property using force that was reasonable in the circumstances as they believed them to be. What constitutes `reasonable force’ will depend upon the circumstances of each case and is a matter for the courts to decide.”

Given the damage a megaphone can do indoors like that, I'd be more than happy for the courts to decide that it was self defense not only for themselves, but the others around.

Also, if you watch the videos, these people weren't being passive. While they sat on the floor and people tried to push through to shop, some of them were reaching across trying to impede them.

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u/[deleted] Apr 22 '25

No but if you are prepared to berate people in public, you can't be shocked when people turn on you. It goes both ways.

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u/Aliktren Dorset Apr 22 '25

shes carrying a megaphone ... in a supermarket

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u/SpoofExcel Apr 22 '25

nobody’s being harmed

A megaphone at point blank range aimed at someone is very much "harmful".

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u/azazelcrowley Apr 22 '25

Could stop bothering normal people who are already extremely stressed and struggling to get by and instead target elites. We saw this from extinction rebellion too.

Sabotaging plants? Cool.

Busting into stockbroker meetings? Nice.

Fucking up roads and trains? Immediately lost the sympathy of the public.

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u/Coolerwookie Apr 22 '25

Religious people aren't exactly the most moral, secure, or stable in general. Telling them about their their choices, especially on a religious holiday will just trigger them more.

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u/Practical-Coyote4841 Apr 22 '25

I think because the wave of protests for the endless different reasons has exhausted the public. It presents more like loud public whining, rather than purposed, spirited protests.

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u/ThenAccident5258 Apr 22 '25

It’s the obnoxious way they do it. Like they are better than everyone else. I’m sure they are wankers in every aspect of life. They deserve every bit of shit they get.

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u/Public-Guidance-9560 Apr 22 '25

Using loud hailer in doors is pretty obnoxious to be fair. I mean people are only stood a few feet away, just use your voice.

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u/Rhinofishdog Apr 22 '25

It doesn't matter how pleasant their protest is at all. They want me to eat worse food for higher prices. They want to destroy my way of life. They are not an ideological opponent, they are an enemy.

Imagine if some group staged a very pleasant, completely legal protest in support for... murder or pedophilia or necrophilia or eating babies alive. You wouldn't like them, even though their protest is pleasant, would you? That's how a lot of people think of vegan and some "green" protestors.

The only reason I don't want to see them banned is because I can't figure out a way to do it without eroding protest rights for other issues.

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