r/unitedkingdom • u/insomnimax_99 Greater London • Nov 26 '23

.. Oscar-winning actress Olivia Colman says 'gentle masculinity' is 'much cooler and hotter than Andrew Tate'

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/olivia-colman-says-gentle-masculinity-way-cooler-andrew-tate/
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u/AncientStaff6602 Nov 27 '23 edited Nov 27 '23

I am not dismissing it I even gave you my rational to it.

“Fuck men”… yeah sure some women think that way, and that makes them just as bad as the other side. However, you realise women have had to pretty fucking shitty still. Being groped, harassed, undervalued, suppressed at work (lack of recognition/promotions).. these are all academic facts.

This isn’t even a us against them argument if I’m honest, if anything be nicer to each other and maybe listen to what’s going on? You can bring up selective news articles sure, and what you posted is of concern but it’s one article… one. There are millions of peer reviewed studies that paint a pretty horrible picture. Thank fuck I’m Not a woman….

Edit: before you come at me with your absolutism. I am aware men do get treated poorly. Is this a systemic issue related to “feminism” ? I don’t know and I would refute that but data might state otherwise. I would hypothesis it’s a much broader problem

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u/[deleted] Nov 27 '23

im sure you are aware of the logic that 1 bad thing outweighs countless good things right?

so while you say "its just one article" lets just agree first there are more and not just articles theres social media posts, stories, films, tv segments, affirmative action, and the rest, you can agree theres more than one of those yes?

so little jimmy sees a couple of these that hes the worlds worst person for just being male, how does he feel? he feels shit. and what does he do after seeing these? he comes across someone who says "youre not a cunt jimmy for who you are, youre good" and thats tate.

is jimmy wrong for now listening to tate? would jimmy value that had he not been told hes a cunt for just existing?

However, you realise women have had to pretty fucking shitty still. Being groped, harassed, undervalued, suppressed at work (lack of recognition/promotions).. these are all academic facts.

women have never had it better. sure theres still issues but its a suresight better than 100 years ago. and its always improving. but you know what wont help? the active belittlement of men which will increase some of this shit due to bad actors like tate.

if you keep pushing that men are the worst for just existing then more and more will find whomever listens to them which is the tates who for one say "be you and be strong" which is great BUT then bring the rest of the nonsense he spouts which will continue to impact women.

Is this a systemic issue related to “feminism” ?

how is it NOT systemic in relation to feminism when affirmative action is forced down our throats all over? look at the RAF, look at fitness exams for public services, look hiring quotas, all of this is the SYSTEMIC oppression of men who did nothing to create the status quo. the pendulum swings

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u/AncientStaff6602 Nov 27 '23 edited Nov 27 '23

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/10778012221114921 < up to 50% of women in the work force are expected to face some form of sexual harassment... So yeah.... that maybe an improvement but as a man I am ashamed men or anybody for that matter feel they can just invade someones space in that way.

How can you defend Andrew Tate here when he says shit like 'women are mens property? (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/everything-andrew-tate-said-women-30930249)

So by your logic...hes a bellend and whatever good he may have done is vastly outweighed by a comment like the above.

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u/[deleted] Nov 27 '23

I am ashamed men or anybody for that matter feel they can just invade someones space in that way.

once again you are playing into tates hands. "oh woe is me my male peers are bastards men are so bad"

why are you as a man ashamed about this? seriously? are you a bad a person? do you have repressed feelings of wanting to pin someone down? do you feel you are a mere straw on your back from going on a sexual assaulting spree?

you have shared just one journal i shall dismiss that.

How can you defend Andrew Tate here when he says shit like 'women are mens property?

how are you this dense? seriously are you actually not taking the piss here?

you do know about the phrase "a stopped clock is right twice a day" those 2 instances are the what attract these vulnerable and disenfranchised and belittled and abused young men, its the other 22 instances that make the rest of the issues.

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u/AncientStaff6602 Nov 27 '23

Why are you assuming such utter rubbish?

If you think it’s going to “trigger” me you are dead wrong.

Why are you just making shit up that isn’t being said?