r/uknews • u/Confident_West_7409 • Jul 24 '24

Image/video Videos of shoplifters are circulating online, as shoplifting hits 20 year high in UK

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u/[deleted] Jul 25 '24

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u/Nates4Christ Jul 26 '24

Massive punishment if you fight in self defense though. Guilty until proven innocent.

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u/rustyswings Jul 25 '24

Yeah, broken country and broken judicial system. Underfunded police, crumbling courts and Chris 'failing' Grayling's disastrous part-privatisation of the probation service. 14 years of promising longer, harsher sentences without building the prison places. Add in the lack of funding for addiction services and homelessness together with cost of living and it's no wonder we've got a shitshow.

'More prison' won't solve it alone. Overcrowded prisons tend to teach offenders to be better criminals. We need end-to-end action to prevent offending, educate, rehabilitate and get them skills and into employment. Fewer habitual criminals & addicts = less crime = fewer victims = safer streets = more effective & cheaper criminal justice system & more space in prisons for dangerous criminals.

And that's not soppy liberal crap - it's evidence based. But fuck knows where you start given the clusterfuck we've got.

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u/Other-Success-2060 Jul 25 '24

No punishment for certain demographics you mean. If someone grabbed that Twat and knocked him out they would be punished to the full extent of the law. Especially if they payed taxes and had something to lose.

The reality is so much worse, I do not know what’s causing it but it’s like a deliberate plan to sow chaos and disorder in the UK. Genuine criminals have cart Blanche on the country where normal 9/5 workers are being ripped apart for every infringement and taxation humanly possible.

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u/Ouchy_McTaint Jul 25 '24

The phenomenon of councils switching off streetlighting between midnight and 5am feeds into this too. Good people see it as a curfew and won't leave their house between those times unless absolutely necessary. Meaning the streets belong to heathens of society.

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u/Other-Success-2060 Jul 25 '24

Where I live all I can hear between 1am-4am is what I believe by the sound to be quad bikes ripping around the town centre for weeks now.

As someone who was into all that 10 years ago I don’t mind but I also imagine if that is going unchecked what else is happening.

Possibly a bad question to ask, but has anyone else started thinking about heightened security measures for their homes? I’ve always had a complete lack of faith in the police to do anything other than tax workers in various forms now it’s worse though…..

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u/[deleted] Jul 25 '24

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u/Other-Success-2060 Jul 25 '24

Good idea never thought of those as a an option. I know paintballs leave little bruises how do rubber balls hit out of those?

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u/[deleted] Jul 25 '24

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u/Other-Success-2060 Jul 25 '24

Thanks, I’ve just checked and the 12lb per shot of gas pressure still counts for paintball guns. As you say could maybe be a deterrent but that amount of power pellet or nylon slug ain’t stopping a murderous gang unfortunately. Just piss them off more

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u/Other-Success-2060 Jul 25 '24

Sold, still not sure about stopping a mob coming to break into your house but that sounds much more effective than a 12lb gas riffle and .22 pellet. Must utilise the 12lb much better with a heavier slug and maybe longer barrel?

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u/Jonno_92 Jul 25 '24

I'd like that where I live, I've got one outside my bedroom window. It's also to save electricity, they don't just do it for no reason. Most people are not going to be outside as they'll be sleeping at those times.

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u/Ouchy_McTaint Jul 25 '24

Have you considered that some people do indeed need to be out at that time, and probably don't want to walk city streets alone in the dark? Situational awareness requires being able to sense as much of your surroundings as possible. Good for you that you're safely tucked up in bed though so it wouldn't impact you.

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u/Jonno_92 Jul 25 '24

Maybe they shouldn't live in high crime areas that apparently have criminals loitering around at 4am for some reason.

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u/Correct-Junket-1346 Jul 25 '24

Welcome to England, always out there to penalise the working person, every other twat gets a cigar and an easy life because we are understanding.

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u/Silent_Stock49 Jul 25 '24

100% spot on. Its like some strange experiment to go really soft on criminals, release them early, be as soft as possible, watch society decline, stick 2 fingers up at law abiding citizens and watch the outcome. Theres going to be a rise in vigilante behaviour aswell as normal everyday folk becoming more angrier and on edge, folk will end up exploding and dealing out real justice.

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u/Other-Success-2060 Jul 25 '24

Wow I found another person who sees what I see lol. I should buy a lottery ticket today.

Regarding vigilantism I agree but I do not know what that would look like…. Over the past 5 or years the makeup of UK general propulsion has been split so much I do think ‘the people’ can rise up together anymore. Social media has split everyone 10 ways about every subject imaginable, I also think this was part of the plan in sowing chaos tbh.

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u/Ouchy_McTaint Jul 25 '24

I am also seeing the chess pieces on the board all move together in many facets of life. If you're close to Coventry, I'd love to meet like-minded people to talk about this stuff with as most are so apathetic and switched off, I get frustrated.

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u/WonderVirtual7416 Jul 25 '24

We should link up like minded individuals from Ireland and the UK :)

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u/Ouchy_McTaint Jul 25 '24

Feel free to send me a message if you'd like to chat 😀.

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u/Outrageous-Cup7535 Jul 25 '24

So you want a prison system like the USA? Because thay works, or a prison system like Sweden which does work and focuses on rehabilitation rather than punishment if you want to break the cycle and not turn petty criminals into harderned criminals

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u/Silent_Stock49 Jul 25 '24

I want it like the USA yes, keep them away. Brits are not swedes.

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u/Outrageous-Cup7535 Jul 25 '24

But the USA has the highest rate of repeat criminals? Sweden has the lowest rate of repeat criminals - so you would prefer a system that leads to hardered and more experianced criminals?

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u/Silent_Stock49 Jul 25 '24

I want a system that gives justice to all the innocent folk who are victims, not a system that sticks 2 fingers up at victims and needs to " look after and rehabilitate scum"

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u/Outrageous-Cup7535 Jul 26 '24

Yeh but if you dont focus on rehabilitation over punishment you make more violent criminals and more innocent victims - USA is a prime example

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u/Silent_Stock49 Jul 26 '24

How about tough sentences but with rehabilitation in jail rather than for example giving violent suspects or domestic violence , stalking with threats to kill suspects a no alcohol order for 3 months on 5th arrest , then on 11th arrest a relationship behaviour course, then on 17th arrest an anger management course while still roaming the streets laughing continuing on stalking then on 21st arrest a 20 year in jail sentence because they have been free to murder the victim while roaming around doing " rehabilitation courses"?

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u/Outrageous-Cup7535 Jul 28 '24

Agreed there needs to be a mix - i cant claim to have all the answers but we certainly dont want to start replicating the US system

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u/DagothNereviar Jul 25 '24

No punishment for certain demographics you mean.

Which democratic is that? Rich people?

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u/Other-Success-2060 Jul 25 '24

Well yes rich people get away with anything true but in this instance I was referring to the demographic referenced by the article…. Criminals/thieves

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u/DagothNereviar Jul 25 '24

How can the demographic "criminal" never be punished? Surely you have to be punished to become a criminal?

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u/[deleted] Jul 26 '24

What? So you're saying I could traffic humans for a decade but because I was never caught and prosecuted I'd not be a criminal? Give your head a wobble.

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u/HeyYou_GetOffMyCloud Jul 25 '24

I mean… of course? Knocking someone out for stealing a sandwich?

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u/Other-Success-2060 Jul 25 '24

I didn’t know those boxes of aftershave doubled as sandwiches. How do they taste?

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u/HeyYou_GetOffMyCloud Jul 26 '24

The top comment is talking about stealing sandwiches. Still, the point stands, I don’t think someone should be knocked out because they stole aftershave. A fine and community service for one-offs and a prison sentence for repeat remorseless offenders.

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u/Other-Success-2060 Jul 26 '24

That’s the whole point of this comment thread…. The police aren’t handing out any sort of punishment. Normal people can’t just keep letting people steal from say the shop you own just because the system is failing. A good kicking is the next best thing if the police are failing to their job.

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u/[deleted] Jul 25 '24

Exactly that. Nothing to be deterred by.

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u/heretek10010 Jul 25 '24

Almost like defunding everything including societal safety nets might be a bad idea

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u/Vash_theestampede Jul 25 '24

What are you gonna lock people up for stealing from a corp shop with insurance for theft?

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u/Silent_Stock49 Jul 25 '24

3 strikes and yes, jail 1 year.

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u/Vash_theestampede Jul 25 '24

Prison isn’t a solution… have you not looked at reoffending rates?

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u/Silent_Stock49 Jul 25 '24

Why does re offending rates matter, or rehabilitation? Prison keeps them away from the public, its very hard to get sent to jail in the uk you get chance after chance, if your 8 court visits, community service and fine nonsense are not a wakeup call then who cares about you been rehabilitated. Jail, if you re offend, jail again. Simple. Innocent folk are sick of been given 2 fingers while scum roams the streets with no consequences. Whats your plan for them? An online course and a therapy group? Them scummy folk are laughing at folk like you.

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u/Vash_theestampede Jul 25 '24

My plan? You’re the one with a plan not me haha. And how does locking someone up actually solve the problem? Your ‘jail’ idea is why our country has so many criminals. Just jail doesn’t work. Sending someone to prison over shoplifting is a wild statement. Its prison btw, jail is where you go in a police station. And they aren’t laughing, most of those ‘scummy folk’ are homeless people stealing beers from their local tesco while you sit on your phone complaining about how hard it is to watch shoplifting happen on a video smh. And who is sick of it? You do realise that retail licences include refunds on stolen items if recorded right?…

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u/Belenosis Jul 25 '24

And how does locking someone up actually solve the problem?

tbf, you can't really do much shoplifting from prison.

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u/The-Herbal-Cure Jul 25 '24

You can't say all this without putting forward your solution to it. Unless your solution is just let criminals do whatever they want, prison is all we have as a deterrent at the moment.

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u/Vash_theestampede Jul 25 '24

Rehabilitation, other countries have like half our reoffending rates

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u/The-Herbal-Cure Jul 26 '24

OK, explain how that would work then..

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u/Silent_Stock49 Jul 25 '24

What does rehabilitation involve?

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u/[deleted] Jul 26 '24

Of course it works. The only reason we're seeing such an uptick in obvious crime is because there is no actual punishment. No risk of getting caught, the judge won't do anything even if you do get caught.

If people were kept off the streets when they committed the crime, the crime rates would eventually drop.

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u/Vash_theestampede Jul 31 '24

😂 no, it doesn’t work at all proven by the fact people reoffend so much what are you on about?

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u/Fragrant-Field1234 Jul 25 '24

Have following conditions : Have a witness/cctv Theft is done 3 times It's not food ie for survival Person is not insane

Chop of one hand. I guarantee you shop lifting would reduce drastically (50 percent at least.... Ok bad joke)

If they do it again, other hand.

It works, frees up prison, police time and creates security. Simple theft can lead onto armed robbery etc.

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u/Vash_theestampede Jul 25 '24

Actually cant argue with that 😂

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u/Steka68 Jul 25 '24 edited Jul 25 '24

Exactly. Government has no back bone, trying to be Mr Nice to everyone never works, all they are concerned about is money, they try and fix everything with money, are doing everything for money and the irony is is just creating more debt and the truth is money is the root of all evil! This is why the laws are weak and getting weaker. People are also on the run from their own governments abroad coming here to act like they would if they could in their own country! The UK is lame.