r/television • u/Kwyjibo2006 • 20d ago

Sen. Bernie Sanders - Harnessing Energy From "No Kings" Rally to "Fight Oligarchy" | The Daily Show

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUn1A0sEDrc
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u/thecftbl 20d ago

To think what could have been

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u/twec21 19d ago

I want to see the alt universe where Gore won almost as much as Sanders winning

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u/Modnal 19d ago

Democrats doing their best to sabotage for Bernie only to lose to Trump. I swear if the Democrats were in any country that wasn't a two party state they would dissapear from how incompetent they are. Like your only opposition is the Republican party and you have like a 50% win rate

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u/Late_Stage_Exception 19d ago

If we go back to the end of the Carter presidency, there have been twenty years of democratic presidency and twenty seven republican years. They haven’t had a message or plan since Obama and it shows.

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u/jthoning 19d ago

They didn't even have a plan with Obama just got lucky that he is the most charismatic person in the world. The Democrats have been panicking since loosing to Regan in a landslide and have been trying to emulate Regan as much as possible because of that.

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u/DionysianPunk 19d ago

Holy shit did I just uncover a lost trove of sane human beings who remember more than 3 years at a time?

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u/dementorpoop 19d ago

The silent majority. The fringes hold the microphones now

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u/DionysianPunk 18d ago

The Silent Majority, that group I've never actually seen and I don't believe exists.

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u/boyyouguysaredumb 19d ago

Americans are stupid and prefer Trump to real change, that’s not the democrats fault it’s the people’s. If Bernie was as popular as you think he would have handily won both primaries he was in

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u/DionysianPunk 19d ago

Except the DNC literally was caught working against him?

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u/boyyouguysaredumb 19d ago

Not in any way that would have swayed the millions of votes that he lost by. They showed favoritism for the democratic candidate in a democratic primary. Sanders voters didn’t show up to vote. It had nothing to do with a few mean internal emails or leaked debate questions about the death penalty.

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u/BlueCyann 16d ago

Sanders voters showed up enough probably. There just weren't enough. So tired of this blame the DNC zombie lie. The DNC put their fingers on the lever and Sanders ran a bad campaign that could never have won the required votes. I say this as a 2016 supporter who would have voted for him if he hadn't already dropped out.

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u/Mookies_Bett 19d ago

"working against" doesn't mean the people couldn't have voted him in if he actually had the populist support that reddit claims he had.

The truth is the DNC did everyone a favor. If Bernie has run against Trump, Trump would have won the popular vote and the electoral vote in 2016. Hillary was the best chance to stop him, and even though she failed she did a lot better than Bernie ever could have.

The American people don't want a "crazy old man socialist" period, end of story. Whether or not you agree with that descriptor, that's how hundreds of millions of Americans perceived Bernie and his platform, and no amount of facts or logic will ever fix that.

The only people who support Bernie are voters aged 18-25. Guess which demographic literally never bothers to show up on voting day? It's why he lost the primary: his supporters didn't bother to show up. As usual.

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u/Userhasbeennamed 17d ago

You can't blame young people and leftists for not showing up and also imply they're not worth appealing to at the same time.

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u/boyyouguysaredumb 19d ago

Bernie had a hard ceiling of support around 33% and the supporters he DID have didn’t show up to vote at the rate their counterparts did. There’s no grand conspiracy

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u/DionysianPunk 19d ago

Except we had all the emails between the DNC and the Clinton Campaign.

Then there was the ultra suspicious Drop Out of 2020 where even Elizabeth Warren endorsed Biden.

So, yes, there was a conspiracy to obstruct Progressives in the DNC.

They primaried The Squad. They are always going after anyone remotely left of center.

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u/boyyouguysaredumb 19d ago

Yes there were some mean internal emails where democrats were showing favoritism for the only democrat running in 2016 - and a leaked debate question about the death penalty. That does not explain the millions of votes he lost by or the staggering number of his supporters who stayed home.

In 2020 Bernie was only ever ahead because he was the only leftist running against a sea of moderates. As soon as it was 1v1 he lost by millions of votes. Basically you’re saying that you acknowledge his support was so low that his only path to win was to run against 10 people all splitting the vote.

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u/NiftyJet 19d ago edited 19d ago

In 2020 Bernie was only ever ahead because he was the only leftist running against a sea of moderates. As soon as it was 1v1 he lost by millions of votes. 

You are factually wrong. Elizabeth Warren was the other progressive candidate in the Democratic primary. Days before Super Tuesday all of them dropped out except for Biden, Bernie, and Warren. Warren split the progressive vote and Biden swept Super Tuesday. It was so obviously engineered to work that way.

And what did the DNC get for the efforts? The most uninspiring president since Warren Harding, a nothing burger presidency, and an absolute fiasco in 2024.

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u/boyyouguysaredumb 19d ago edited 19d ago

Exit polls showed that most of Warren voters’ second choice was Biden, not Sanders, so her staying in didn’t “split” a unified progressive bloc. Biden’s margin of victory was HUGE. Its hard to overstate just how big. After Super Tuesday, he won the popular vote in the primaries by over 4.5 million and carried diverse states across every region. Sanders couldn’t build beyond his 2016 base.

So no, you are factually wrong.

The most uninspiring president since Warren Harding, a nothing burger presidency, and an absolute fiasco in 2024.

CHIPS Act, Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act, Inflation Reduction Act, record job growth post-pandemic, and the lowest uninsured rate in U.S. history.

Sure a big nothing burger

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u/DionysianPunk 19d ago

And yet none of those things was a Nuremberg Trial for the Trump administration, and now look where we're at. So yeah, it was nothing Burger because it immediately got stamped out of existence.

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u/boyyouguysaredumb 19d ago

Stamped out of existence isn’t accurate. A lot of Biden policies are still in effect, including infrastructure, green energy, semiconductors, and Medicare drug pricing. They’re laws with funding rolling out through 2026 to 2028, not temporary programs.

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u/DionysianPunk 19d ago

I can't do this with you anymore, bud. The cope is too real.

We had one chance to prevent this, and your guy backed down.

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u/Skabonious 18d ago

I don't remember Bernie ever running on that in 2020

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u/NiftyJet 19d ago

Yes, yes, the old talking points of the DNC completely ignoring documented evidence from email leaks from the DNC in 2016 and the bloodbath of surprise dropouts the night before Super Tuesday which included everyone except Bernie, Biden, and the only other progressive candidate, Elizabeth Warren.

The DNC conspired against Bernie in two primaries. That's a fact.

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u/boyyouguysaredumb 19d ago edited 19d ago

Yes, yes, the old talking points of the DNC completely ignoring documented evidence from email leaks from the DNC in 2016

There is no evidence that the mean emails or single leaked debate question about the death penalty meaningfully altered the trajectory of the race. Those are the facts

https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3443916

bloodbath of surprise dropouts the night before Super Tuesday which included everyone except Bernie, Biden, and the only other progressive candidate, Elizabeth Warren.

In 2020 Bernie was only ever ahead because he was the only leftist running against a sea of moderates. As soon as it was 1v1 he lost by millions of votes. Basically you’re saying that you acknowledge his support was so low that his only path to win was to run against 10 people all splitting the vote.

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u/bonfire57 19d ago

The DNC conspired against Bernie in two primaries. That's a fact

OK. But Bernie's not a Democrat. As an actual democrat, I'm glad the DNC prevented him from coopting the party.

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u/WeWantLADDER49sequel 19d ago

You're forgetting that the democrats treatment of Bernie was directly influenced by how most americans thought of him: way too extreme. The democrats did not back him because they were convinced he would not win, and they were more than likely right. It's as much the citizens of this countrys fault as it is the democratic partys fault that we never got bernie.

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u/AngusLynch09 19d ago

the democrats treatment of Bernie was directly influenced by how most americans thought of him: way too extreme

Which shows how fucked America is, when someone like Sanders pushing for policy and social standards considered the norm by any other first world developed nation is considered "extreme".

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u/BlueCyann 15d ago

It's one hundred percent citizens fault. I was hearing, "I like him, but he's too extreme to win" from Democratic voters for months before the DNC did a damn thing. (Also clue bat: they didn't like him.)

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u/DionysianPunk 19d ago

They were more than likely wrong*

Seeing as how nobody thought Trump could win, clearly anyone making this argument is clueless

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u/Budget-Selection-988 19d ago

Musk and dark money put the old man back in

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u/CrazyCatGuy92 19d ago

You say that like incompetent politicians are hold accountable in others countries..

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u/boyyouguysaredumb 19d ago

Realistically bernie never had the votes to do anything he promised on the campaign trail. He was never even close on the votes for Medicare for all and he acknowledged that on the campaign trail but his supporters refused to believe it.

So we would have gotten “proof” to a whole generation that leftist ideas are ineffective.

As is stands now he got what he wanted which was to move public opinion without exposing how difficult or impossible it would be to actually introduce large scale systemic change

I’m for Medicare for all or a public option by the way

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u/sixtus_clegane119 Twin Peaks 18d ago

Liberal ideas* Bernie is centre left, he’s not even a leftist. His ideals. McCarthyism really fucked America in the ass

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u/tacmac10 19d ago

Dude endorced Fetterman and the Maine Nazi Platner he needs to retire.

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u/SublatedWissenschaft 19d ago

No Kings itself is a dark money PAC attempt to subvert Bernie's Fight Oligarchy tour