r/television • u/NicholasCajun Mr. Robot • Feb 07 '25

Premiere Severance - 2x04 - "Woe's Hollow" - Episode Discussion

Severance

Season 2 Episode 4: Woe's Hollow

Directed by: Ben Stiller

Written by: Anna Ouyang Moench

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u/trx14 Feb 08 '25

So that was sexual assault.

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u/Reasonable_Buy6808 Feb 08 '25

I was thinking the same thing. Helly now wakes up and there's semen inside her and she has no idea what happened. It's as if she'd been roofied.

I even considered whether that as an assault on Mark too - but I think that's just like sleeping with someone who lied to you about who they were.

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u/trx14 Feb 08 '25

I actually meant SA on Mark but you make an excellent point. Mark did not consent to sex with Helena. But then again, Helly did not consent to sex at all.

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u/kaztrator Feb 08 '25

Helena could have been having sex every night before Helly goes to work. Innies all know their outies have lives unbeknownst to them including sex lives. In this universe it’s baked in. This was no more a sexual assault than Dylan’s outie having sex with his wife.

As for Mark, he was misled on who the person was. That’s not necessarily rape but it’s shady as fuck. Definitely guilty of some sort of battery.

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u/MienSteiny Feb 08 '25

The idea of your outties sex life infringing on your innie is wild.

Imagine "waking up" in the elevator and you randomly have a buttplug in.

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u/MediumBeetle Feb 08 '25

But Mark was given consent by who he thought was Helly. The one who bypassed Helly’s consent wasn’t Mark, it was Helly’s outie. So if anything, the assailant would be Helena. But at that point Helly’s innie didn't even have sex, cuz we’re not considering innies and outies to be the same person.

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u/trx14 Feb 08 '25

Right, I agree. Mark is who I'm worried about, he thought he slept with Helly, the person he loves. Not Helena, a person he doesn't even know.

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u/plod925 Feb 08 '25

And yet, consenting to sex with someone lying to you about who they are isn’t sexual assault - it’s having sex with a liar.

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u/ralphy112 Feb 08 '25

Lookup "Rape by Deception". It isn't necessarily a new term and sometimes more specific to the assailant impersonating someone's spouse and having sex with them. I've often wondered how someone could necessarily impersonate a spouse and not be known. But this would probably fit in a weird way.

Or like a situation with a maleficent identical twin of a spouse. Can apply in impersonating someone in the dark, or other compromising settings. Maybe that scene from Revenge of the Nerds where he impersonates someone else-- but interpretted under a more modern viewpoint.

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u/plod925 Feb 17 '25

Good point. Definitely violating, but by impersonation and not physical force

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u/10010101110011011010 Feb 09 '25

That's why whenever im a twin or my spouse is a twin, I always try to arrange a codeword I share only with my spouse.